MH 777 missing - MH370 media statement

[Himeno]

* They are so chuffed to have been able to possibly help solve a major international mystery that even though they don't put on a polished performance in the media feeding frenzy they keep at it.

The same could be said for the so called "experts" the media keeps dredging up (like Geoffrey Thomas). Just how are these people "experts"? More like people with an opinion wanting their 15 minutes of fame.

 

[mannej]

The same could be said for the so called "experts" the media keeps dredging up (like Geoffrey Thomas). Just how are these people "experts"? More like people with an opinion wanting their 15 minutes of fame.

To be fair GT is actually better than most other aviation writers going around down under.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

The same could be said for the so called "experts" the media keeps dredging up (like Geoffrey Thomas). Just how are these people "experts"? More like people with an opinion wanting their 15 minutes of fame.

you can google him and find out

 

[SFSC]

We are going to be enlightened tonight The Mystery of Flight 370 - What Happened? . I don't think I'll bother.

 

[JohnPhelan]

We are going to be enlightened tonight The Mystery of Flight 370 - What Happened? . I don't think I'll bother.

Bit unfortunate that it follows Resurrection on Channel 7 !!

 

[DC3]

... While the Vice Chief of Defence confirmed Ocean Shield will be joining the search as I posted early today ...

Ocean Shield, due in Fremantle on Saturday, it seems:




Now located here:

 

[alieninperth]

Bit unfortunate that it follows Resurrection on Channel 7 !!

I think I'll stick to the French original.

 

[markis10]

12 aircraft and six ships tasked tomorrow. Ocean Shield will be fitted with the towed array looking for the black box.

 

[DrA]

On Tuesday, Malaysia's acting Transportation Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said the challenge of the search, which has involved as many as 26 nations, is longer diplomatic but "primarily technical and logistical."

I think this is what has been frustrating me from the start. It should never have been such a diplomatic challenge. It should have always been focused on the technical and logistical. The way the whole incident has played out in the political arena (not just within Malaysia, but the whole hindering of the investigation through other countries withholding information) makes me want to scream bad words at people.

 

[defurax]

I think this is what has been frustrating me from the start. It should never have been such a diplomatic challenge. It should have always been focused on the technical and logistical. The way the whole incident has played out in the political arena (not just within Malaysia, but the whole hindering of the investigation through other countries withholding information) makes me want to scream bad words at people.

I agree. But if the plane flew over Indonesia without being detected by any Indonesian radars, I guess that's not something a country wants to advertise too much...

 

[markis10]

I agree. But if the plane flew over Indonesia without being detected by any Indonesian radars, I guess that's not something a country wants to advertise too much...

If you plot the Malaysian radar tracks, I think you will find the plane missed Indonesia.

 

[DrA]

I agree. But if the plane flew over Indonesia without being detected by any Indonesian radars, I guess that's not something a country wants to advertise too much...

I wonder though...The Thai's didn't admit to detecting something in their airspace for almost 2 weeks after MH370 went missing because "nobody asked them for the data". Begs the question how many other countries are withholding information?

 

[Boris spatsky]

Are you sure it was in their airspace? I thought it wasn't, hence why they didn't care about it until asked.

 

[drron]

Here is the UK AAIB report given to the Malaysian government.
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=740971779281171&id=178566888854999

 

[DrA]

Are you sure it was in their airspace? I thought it wasn't, hence why they didn't care about it until asked.

Based on this released map, the flight did seemingly pass into Thai airspace...Barely, but still there.

 

[DrA]

Here is the UK AAIB report given to the Malaysian government.
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=740971779281171&id=178566888854999

Interesting read. My only real concern with the analysis is the assumption of a certain (constant) velocity of the aircraft in their calculations

In recent days Inmarsat developed a second innovative technique which considers the velocity of the aircraft relative to the satellite.

Unless they're not telling us something, I was under the impression that information wasn't actually known? They're making an assumption that may not be valid, which would throw off their results. Other than that, I can't see a problem with the methodology.

 

[Boris spatsky]

Yes looks like it did. Maybe as it wasn't on an airway they thought it was a radar ghost. Still unusual, i agree.

 

[Austman]

Although we don't know the exact technical details from Inmarsat, we know a few things.

1. The initial projections of the flight path were based on ACARS Classic Aero ping return timings and or signal strength.
2. Ping timings and or signal strength are therefore logged.
3. The ping return timings and or signal strength gave an approximate flight path corridor in a north or south direction (but not which one).
4. The two possible approximate flight path corridors, north or south, don't seem to be in much dispute.
5. The Doppler Effect changes apparent frequency.
6. Therefore ping timings and or signal strength and received frequency are logged.
7. The Doppler Effect could show if the aircraft was moving away from or towards the satellite and at what speed.
8. If the aircraft turned, the Doppler Effect could be used to see that an aircraft moving in one direction was now moving in another direction.
9. The possible tracks are known and that the aircraft turned is known. The following is from the Ministry of Transport Malaysia:

 

[ozkid]

Here is the UK AAIB report given to the Malaysian government.
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=740971779281171&id=178566888854999

Thanks for sharing this. The graphics (esp the 3rd one) were humbling. To see where the plane ended up - hit me that they were so far away from home. Very sad.

 

[ozkid]

Interesting read. My only real concern with the analysis is the assumption of a certain (constant) velocity of the aircraft in their calculations


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Unless they're not telling us something, I was under the impression that information wasn't actually known? They're making an assumption that may not be valid, which would throw off their results. Other than that, I can't see a problem with the methodology.

Easy enough to plot Doppler frequency shifts versus different possible airplane velocities; you match the line of best fit of frequency shift versus measured frequency shift. Looks like the 450kt airspeed plot matched the measured frequencies the best.