MH 777 missing - MH370 media statement

[MEL_Traveller]

Glancing at the MH370 passenger list, there is a lot of nationalities involved apart from mainland Chinese.

I note there are quite a few Malaysians with Chinese surnames too (Chan, Chew, Chng, Guan etc...) and one Chinese from Taiwan.

Have you seen / heard of their reactions ?

My guess is this is abnormal, rather than involving a "cultural" issue.

An organised march to the embassy with placards from grieving relatives ???

That is reminiscent of the cultural revolution where people was told whom to hate and whom to reject.

Let's not forget this is still a monolithic one-party state where freedom of expression has a limit and the governing bodies can direct their attention to whoever they choose at any time.

Granted, there are some factors here that would aggravate a "normal" state of grief: an accident, many people died young & in a remote place before their parents, a likelihood that bodies would not be recovered which all adds up to make the usual grieving process more difficult to be accepted i.e these are "bad" deaths.

But a survey on Hong Kong Chinese grief reaction included no element of anger or blame.

So, I suspect there is more to "cultural" issues at play here to heap the blame on the Malaysians.

I have lived in china for the last 6 years. I do not find their reaction unsurprising. Whatever the motivation.

try spending a morning at a local police station in china and you'll see plenty of OTT behaviour (including shouting at each other and the police). It's just the way it is

and while this is probably the subject of a separate topic, freedom of expression is remarkably, well... 'free' in china. There are just a couple of topics (and it really is only a couple) that you do not discuss, under any circumstances.

 

[dajop]

Glancing at the MH370 passenger list, there is a lot of nationalities involved apart from mainland Chinese.

I note there are quite a few Malaysians with Chinese surnames too (Chan, Chew, Chng, Guan etc...) and one Chinese from Taiwan.

....

But a survey on Hong Kong Chinese grief reaction included no element of anger or blame.

So, I suspect there is more to "cultural" issues at play here to heap the blame on the Malaysians.

Different Chinese people, be they from Hong Kong, Malaysia, Taiwan, China or somewhere else share the same cultural heritage, not the same culture. (Likewise those of us with English ancestry in Australia, US and UK all share a common cultural heritage, but not necessarily the same culture). I wouldn't discount cultural factors as something influencing the behaviour, indeed within different regions and different socio-economic groups within China you find slightly different cultural norms as well.

 

[MH_fan]

The mainlanders are well known for their histrionic and OTT behaviours...

 

[drron]

A link to an ABC America report who were on a Kiwi P3 yesterday when the blue object was sighted-
Could It Be Flight 370? | Video - ABC News

 

[Cynicor]

The mainlanders are well known for their histrionic and OTT behaviours...

Very true. And some of those on the plane may be product of he one child policy, so parents now have no-one to look after them when older and have lost their only child.

 

[anat0l]

China... you're talking about a nation where:

• Airline staff have been threatened with violence or been held to virtual ransom when the flight doesn't leave on time, or gets cancelled
• A parent of a son who was deprived of the right to cheat in a university entrance exam is allowed to assault a teacher who invigilated the exam and ensured there was no cheating
• Hospital staff are regularly threatened with violence or so assaulted due to their not returning their patients in good health to their relatives (e.g. if the patients die)

...and the authorities don't seem to care, although they are very good at covering up what they don't want you to hear and punishing those who dare to expose it (thank goodness Weibo?)

Hence why I said before how are any Malaysian or Malaysia Airlines officials in China still alive let alone not in hospital. Hopefully they have guards around them.


The lawsuit was certainly coming - surprised that it wasn't announced earlier. Like ambulance chasing in the USA, you knew people were going to jump on it straight away. Of course, we know who ever heads the suit is very rarely going to be genuinely doing the job for the affected families, rather than sycophantically rubbing their hands and noses in their cut of the damages (especially when the rough numbers indicate it could be up in the range of $1 billion).

I wonder which jurisdiction they will file the suit in. It would be odd if they file in China - cynical instinct would tell you that doing so would be a shoo-in judgement against Malaysia Airlines (and somewhat vice versa if the case was filed in Malaysia).

 

[drron]

They have filed in Illinois.Much more receptive juries there.

 

[Ric]

China... you're talking about a nation where:

• Airline staff have been threatened with violence or been held to virtual ransom when the flight doesn't leave on time, or gets cancelled
• A parent of a son who was deprived of the right to cheat in a university entrance exam is allowed to assault a teacher who invigilated the exam and ensured there was no cheating
• Hospital staff are regularly threatened with violence or so assaulted due to their not returning their patients in good health to their relatives (e.g. if the patients die)

...and the authorities don't seem to care, although they are very good at covering up what they don't want you to hear and punishing those who dare to expose it (thank goodness Weibo?)

Hence why I said before how are any Malaysian or Malaysia Airlines officials in China still alive let alone not in hospital. Hopefully they have guards around them.


The lawsuit was certainly coming - surprised that it wasn't announced earlier. Like ambulance chasing in the USA, you knew people were going to jump on it straight away. Of course, we know who ever heads the suit is very rarely going to be genuinely doing the job for the affected families, rather than sycophantically rubbing their hands and noses in their cut of the damages (especially when the rough numbers indicate it could be up in the range of $1 billion).

I wonder which jurisdiction they will file the suit in. It would be odd if they file in China - cynical instinct would tell you that doing so would be a shoo-in judgement against Malaysia Airlines (and somewhat vice versa if the case was filed in Malaysia).

Hence my post #2161....

 

[anat0l]

Hence my post #2161....

Duly noted as such... but I guess does one injustice deserve another...

An insensitivity there, a broken leg here...

 

[JohnPhelan]

Also they are probably being fed a lot different line from the Chinese media.Excuse the English these are bing translations.
www.worldjournal.com/view/full_van/24816796/article-%E5%82%B3%E6%A9%9F%E9%95%B7%E5%8A%AB%E6%A9%9F%E6%8C%BA%E5%AE%89%E8%8F%AF-%E8%A

www.worldjournal.com/view/full_aInternational/24765982/article-%E9%A7%90%E9%A6%AC%E5%A4%A7%E4%BD%BF-%E4%B8%AD%E5%9C%8B%E4%B9%98%E5%AE%A2&#

The English may take a few seconds to appear.

Love some of the translations:

even Deputy pilots on Boeing 777 aircraft are not cooked.

 

[markis10]

Today's search operations have been suspended due to bad weather. All planes are returning to Perth & ships are leaving search area.

 

[QF WP]

markis10, am I correct in my understanding that the ships sail south out of the "roaring forties" and will remain there until the weather has cleared.

 

[markis10]

markis10, am I correct in my understanding that the ships sail south out of the "roaring forties" and will remain there until the weather has cleared.

I would say heading south is going to be the worse path going by the synoptic chart, wind against current is never good, heading NE or NW would make sense from my chart observation. The lack of weather stations though could well mean the skippers think differently.

 

[jlien]

They have filed in Illinois.Much more receptive juries there.

That makes little sense, they can just file the lawsuit anywhere?

 

[DC3]

" ... A US Navy "towed pinger locator" will be fitted to an Australian ship in Perth in the coming days.

Time is running out to find the bright orange-coloured box, which emits a ping in water that can be picked up from a depth of just over 4km.

The batteries powering the underwater ping only last 30 days and are due to run out on April 7.

Malaysia said on Tuesday that the locator would not arrive in the search area until April 5 ..."


Malaysia Airlines MH370: Bad weather halts Indian Ocean search for possible debris - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

 

[mannej]

That makes little sense, they can just file the lawsuit anywhere?

I believe it has something to do with the fact that MH fly to the US or that it is a Boeing.

I remember the same occured with QF72, with the lawsuit being filed in the US.

Qantas QF72 accident | Plunge passengers win payout from Airbus

 

[QF WP]

That makes little sense, they can just file the lawsuit anywhere?

Makes sense to me. As a filer of the action, I would want the jurisdiction where I could expect the most favourable outcome.

US courts, in these emotoinal loss circumstances, may side with the claimant. Plus the damages they give are often much higher.

If filed in China, questionable whether there is any robust judicial process there.

If filed in Malaysia, there may be the opposite response to the USA - MH is national carrier, pilots and crew mostly (if not all Malay).

 

[markis10]

That makes little sense, they can just file the lawsuit anywhere?

Why does it make little sense, Boeing is one of the defendants and have a guess where their HQ is? Chicago.

 

[jlien]

Why does it make little sense, Boeing is one of the defendants and have a guess where their HQ is? Chicago.

That's a fair enough point, I didn't know they were based there, though isn't that more likely to create a a jury sympathetic to Boeing?

I found it strange in the sense that the claimants are largely not from the US (And specifially not from Illinois). The suit being held in China or Malaysia would have made more sense to me.

 

[markis10]

That's a fair enough point, I didn't know they were based there, though isn't that more likely to create a a jury sympathetic to Boeing?

I found it strange in the sense that the claimants are largely not from the US (And specifially not from Illinois). The suit being held in China or Malaysia would have made more sense to me.

The US system is far more lenient, what they have filed is basically a request to go looking for evidence Boeing et al stuffed up with a search warrant. That would not be possible elsewhere.