MH 777 missing - MH370 media statement

[RooFlyer]

The US system is far more lenient, what they have filed is basically a request to go looking for evidence Boeing et al stuffed up with a search warrant. That would not be possible elsewhere.

.... and ... assuming a later action is for cash compensation, and they win, much easier for a US court to enforce against Boeing and to enforce against MH or freeze MH assets in the US (planes via leases??) for payment then say, if it was an order given by a Chinese court or even a Malaysian court, I'd venture.

Ambulance chasing is one thing. But this, at this stage? Ugh.

 

[markis10]

AMSA Update: Ships staying in search area & will attempt to continue searching but all planes returning. Bad weather expected for next 24 hours.

Audio Bite from ABC Sydney doing an interview with Captain Alison Norris on the HMAS Success

https://soundcloud.com/702abcsydney/captain-alison-norris-from

 

[QF WP]

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Hmmm, can't get it to run, ^&&*$* IT (can you guess I hate it)

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[prozac]

AMSA Update: Ships staying in search area & will attempt to continue searching but all planes returning. Bad weather expected for next 24 hours.

Audio Bite from ABC Sydney doing an interview with Captain Alison Norris on the HMAS Success

https://soundcloud.com/702abcsydney/captain-alison-norris-from

In reality the search vessels will stay in the area, just not on station. At 13-17kts you are not going to travel far enough in any weather to find better weather conditions. Probably just steam slow into the weather. Am just glad I don't do that cough anymore.

 

[boomy]

China... you're talking about a nation where:

• Airline staff have been threatened with violence or been held to virtual ransom when the flight doesn't leave on time, or gets cancelled
• A parent of a son who was deprived of the right to cheat in a university entrance exam is allowed to assault a teacher who invigilated the exam and ensured there was no cheating
• Hospital staff are regularly threatened with violence or so assaulted due to their not returning their patients in good health to their relatives (e.g. if the patients die)

...and the authorities don't seem to care, although they are very good at covering up what they don't want you to hear and punishing those who dare to expose it (thank goodness Weibo?)

Hence why I said before how are any Malaysian or Malaysia Airlines officials in China still alive let alone not in hospital. Hopefully they have guards around them.

So...many flaws in China, what's your point exactly? Are you trying to showcase our western superiority here? Reminds me of a former European business associate of mine who returned from a trip to Asia and asked me: "why they have to use these wooden sticks to eat their food? Can't they just use fork and knife like the rest of the civilised world?!".
Back on topic, all I saw on the news so far is grieving and sometime hysterical people demanding answers from the authorities. You keep talking about them wanting to injure or even kill the Malaysian officials. Maybe I missed something but I didn't see any major violence happening so far.
I think judging people in their lowest point is unfair. Different cultures react differently to grief and loss. It doesn't mean it's good or bad, better or worse, just different.

 

[burmans]

So...many flaws in China, what's your point exactly? Are you trying to showcase our western superiority here? Reminds me of a former European business associate of mine who returned from a trip to Asia and asked me: "why they have to use these wooden sticks to eat their food? Can't they just use fork and knife like the rest of the civilised world?!".
Back on topic, all I saw on the news so far is grieving and sometime hysterical people demanding answers from the authorities. You keep talking about them wanting to injure or even kill the Malaysian officials. Maybe I missed something but I didn't see any major violence happening so far.
I think judging people in their lowest point is unfair. Different cultures react differently to grief and loss. It doesn't mean it's good or bad, better or worse, just different.

What's wrong with Australians being bigots, our AG wants to enschrine it in our law, no wonder when we are so good at it.

 

[drron]

Now 300 more objects sighted by Thai satellite in the search area-
Thai satellite has detected about 300 objects floating in the Indian Ocean near search area | Bangkok Post: breakingnews

 

[Archphoto]

That seems to be a fair "wack" of debris - (although I guess it's also possible it has accumulated due to the weather), but something tells me the weather is bringing stuff to the surface/into the area for a reason. . . . . .

 

[ReLoad]

You heard it here first;

The initial MH people in charge of the search were sacked after 2 days, whereby they immediately took over the decision making down at QFF, they are also sending the QFF program down the South Indian Ocean route, it's the next Bermuda Triangle.

Remember you heard it here first!

 

[Shan Man]

That seems to be a fair "wack" of debris - (although I guess it's also possible it has accumulated due to the weather), but something tells me the weather is bringing stuff to the surface/into the area for a reason. . . . . .

surely 300 pieces of items would stop being mere objects, and more likely to be a debris field of some sort..

 

[Skyring]

Audio Bite from ABC Sydney doing an interview with Captain Alison Norris on the HMAS Success.

I'll bet she doesn't call it the HMAS Success!

 

[lovestotravel]

Read somewhere that this part of the ocean tends to end up being a rubbish dump for various items from all over the world so debris could be anything still!

 

[Archphoto]

surely 300 pieces of items would stop being mere objects, and more likely to be a debris field of some sort..

I'd think so, but with all the "unproven" mud being slung about, I guess those in the know want to be sure.

Only need to look at how the statement that MH370 final destination was stated to be the Indian Ocean - common sense tells us that it can't still be flying around, yet the fact that it hasn't been found (debris aside) has fingers being pointed and "cover-up" etc being thrown up.

There does come a time when you need to face the truth, no matter how hard that is. All information and data to date, has shown that she hasn't landed on some out-of-the-way (secret) airstrip; as hard as it is to accept, she's at the bottom of the Indian Ocean and it's now a Search & Recovery operation.

The race is now on to find the plane its Black Box (and any bodies that can be recovered), and 300 pieces of debris kind of narrow it down further. (Although that weather will not have helped at all - must be tough for those involved in looking for her too.)

 

[anat0l]

So...many flaws in China, what's your point exactly? Are you trying to showcase our western superiority here? Reminds me of a former European business associate of mine who returned from a trip to Asia and asked me: "why they have to use these wooden sticks to eat their food? Can't they just use fork and knife like the rest of the civilised world?!".

Hardly. I would not call for poster boy on "Western superiority". In fact, part of my background is Chinese, albeit Malay-Chinese and I was born in Australia. So I know a little bit about some of the landscape of Chinese culture and what makes them tick.

It would behove you not to be so naive about what mainland Chinese are capable of. Yes they are grieving and we need to respect that. We also need to make sure there's no more collateral damage as there is already.

Besides, if we are not judging or even merely keeping in mind what the Chinese can do - given that we must grant them a very wide berth on their behaviour because they are grieving - then seeing as you have an established critical judgement ("absolutely disgraceful" to be precise) of the Malaysians as it is (mind, without a clear understanding of all circumstances and dispositions), would you not support some form of severe retribution to befall on the Malaysians or MH?

If the Malaysians and/or MH are leading the world on, then God save their souls, they will get what is coming to them and then some. The PR may be horridly poor, but I'd like to think the Malaysians are not acting out of malevolence.

 

[Ric]

Hardly. I would not call for poster boy on "Western superiority". In fact, part of my background is Chinese, albeit Malay-Chinese and I was born in Australia. So I know a little bit about some of the landscape of Chinese culture and what makes them tick.

It would behove you not to be so naive about what mainland Chinese are capable of. Yes they are grieving and we need to respect that. We also need to make sure there's no more collateral damage as there is already.

Besides, if we are not judging or even merely keeping in mind what the Chinese can do - given that we must grant them a very wide berth on their behaviour because they are grieving - then seeing as you have an established critical judgement ("absolutely disgraceful" to be precise) of the Malaysians as it is (mind, without a clear understanding of all circumstances and dispositions), would you not support some form of severe retribution to befall on the Malaysians or MH?

If the Malaysians and/or MH are leading the world on, then God save their souls, they will get what is coming to them and then some. The PR may be horridly poor, but I'd like to think the Malaysians are not acting out of malevolence.

And my background is pure Chinese and I totally agreed with anat0l's observations and assessment. I have also lived '"part time" in China, Taiwan, Vietnam, Malaysia, Hong Kong and travelled extensively in Asian countries. I do not claim to be an expert but I do have a fair idea of what the differences in culture amongst Asians.

The Malaysian Government may be totally incompetent but I truly do not think that they are acting with malicious intent. Such a task is definitely beyond them and it does not help when other countries with more resources for this disaster are not all that forthcoming.

Should have hired a PR firm to deal with the press conferences and media releases etc instead of hogging the limelight themselves and made not only themselves but the country a laughing stock.

 

[boomy]

if we are not judging or even merely keeping in mind what the Chinese can do - given that we must grant them a very wide berth on their behaviour because they are grieving - then seeing as you have an established critical judgement ("absolutely disgraceful" to be precise) of the Malaysians as it is (mind, without a clear understanding of all circumstances and dispositions), would you not support some form of severe retribution to befall on the Malaysians or MH?

My critical judgment was based on news reports. Preventing access to the media in the early stages, not keeping the families informed and eventually breaking the hardest news of all via text message. This is not the way a responsible government should have acted.
On the other hand, you gave some extreme examples which portrayed the Chinese as violent people in general and the grieving families as a lynch mob. I didn't see any evidence of that (yet) so I think they deserve more support, not criticism.

 

[prozac]

We have certainly seen some pork-chop behaviour reported throughout this sad saga.

 

[markis10]

AMSA Update

Search and recovery operation for Malaysia Airlines aircraft: Update 22
*All times are expressed in Australian Eastern Daylight Saving Time (AEDT). Please note all times are
approximate.

Today’s search and recovery operation in the Australian Search and Rescue Region for Malaysia
Airlines flight MH370 is now underway.

Search activities today will involve a total of 10 aircraft.

Nine military aircraft will join today’s search. They include two Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) P3
Orions, a Republic of Korea P3 Orion, a Republic of Korea C130 Hercules, a Royal New Zealand Air
Force (RNZAF) P3 Orion, a Chinese military Ilyushin IL-76, a United States Navy P8 Poseidon aircraft, a
Japanese coast guard jet, and a Japanese P3 Orion.

One civil aircraft will act as a communications relay in the search area today.

The first aircraft to leave Perth for the search area was the Chinese Ilyushin IL-76 aircraft about 9am.

The Republic of Korea Hercules C130 departed for the search area about 10am.

The RNZAF P3 Orion is scheduled to depart after 11am, followed by the civil jet acting as
communications relay.

The Japan Coast Guard jet is scheduled to depart about 1pm.

The Republic of Korea P3 Orion is scheduled to depart about 2pm.

The two RAAF P3 Orion aircraft are scheduled to depart between 1pm and 3pm.

The United States Navy P8 Poseidon and the Japanese P3 Orion are scheduled to depart about 5pm.

A total of five ships have also been tasked to today’s search.

 

[markis10]

Looks like its going to be a wide search area today if they are putting up a comms relay, I suspect they will be chasing the Thai sat debris.

 

[Skyring]

We have certainly seen some pork-chop behaviour reported throughout this sad saga.

Especially in the early days when it looked like terrorism might have been the thing.

The Malaysians weren't anything other than lousy at their PR handling. And there were some intelligence sources they couldn't share with the world. Hard to keep all the balls in the air when the world's media is in a frenzy at your front door and China is leaning on your shoulder saying what's happened to all our people.