MH 777 missing - MH370 media statement

[markis10]

Wasn't it said the MH planes didn't have ACARS?

Also it was interesting the separate source of transmitted data.

It was said that MH dont pay for ACARS streaming, not that they dont have it. You can pay for different levels of service, a good example of the was QF32 but MH have already said they got no data. RR have a separate sub so they obviously pay for their subset data to be sent to them, the fact RR got data and MH didnt does not mean much. Of course the timeline of the data receipt would mean something.

 

[Rox]

Almost to India? The last time I flew SIN to HYD it was around 4-5 hours from memory

I was measuring on google earth with my fingers. Also allowing for some time spent on the east of Malaysia. The essential point being that it widens the location possibilities to too wide an area to search intensively, and may be found only by luck and goodness knows when.

I can't stop thinking about it - I can't imagine what it must be like for friends and family.

 

[browski]

I was measuring on google earth with my fingers. Also allowing for some time spent on the east of Malaysia. The essential point being that it widens the location possibilities to too wide an area to search intensively, and may be found only by luck and goodness knows when.

I can't stop thinking about it - I can't imagine what it must be like for friends and family.

A dramatic change of direction would indicate an intention to find the nearest airport. Kota Bahru seems closest but maybe on descent the pilots lost consciousness and the plane just carried on towards the Indian Ocean.

 

[markis10]

A dramatic change of direction would indicate an intention to find the nearest airport. Kota Bahru seems closest but maybe on descent the pilots lost consciousness and the plane just carried on towards the Indian Ocean.

It was a bit weird seeing ACI featuring Helios was on last night.

 

[dajop]

But my main point is what will be the effect of this in the sort term, will the general public or ff avoid it for new bookings, will their flights get cheaper now?

Well I nearly booked some MH flights on Friday night for travel this evening, SIN-SYD/MEL-SIN for $630 - but I didn't because I had there was some ambiguity around return date. I still would, despite this event, it rare in the history of aviation that the same carrier has two hull losses with loss of all souls on board within one week (apart from AA & UA on the same day 11/9/2001). However their fares have gone up by >$200 for same flights so taking BA instead, for reasons related to points earn (200% vs 50%), directflight to SYD, as well as price.

 

[cmon0005]

What I don't understand is why if it flew over the mainland for an hour again, why didn't any of the passengers turn their mobile on and try to call friends/family to alert them to the situation as happened in 9/11.. Either that or they were a)none the wiser anything were happening or b) under duress.

 

[drron]

My comments on the tsunami warning systems came via PPRuNe and a couple of fellows with SARs experience though their comments were re Gulf of Thailand-ie shallow water-and an intact plane.
A fellow who took part in the PA103 crash said that the crash was measured on the seismic recorders.
If the plane was on autopilot and went until out of fuel on the course if the Malaaca straits info was correct would put splash down in the Indian Ocean on course for Madagascar according to the pundits.

 

[prozac]

Or c). asleep.

 

[browski]

What I don't understand is why if it flew over the mainland for an hour again, why didn't any of the passengers turn their mobile on and try to call friends/family to alert them to the situation as happened in 9/11.. Either that or they were a)none the wiser anything were happening or b) under duress.

Or C) Already unconscious or worse

 

[medhead]

I saw a presentation from the comprehensive test ban treaty organization many years ago. There instruments are really good and sensitive. They do have their own ocean based monitors, as well as seismic. They should have an outline of the network on their website. Google CTBTO if anyone is interested. One of their issues, however, is getting agreement from all member states to release information.

 

[bigjobs]

now Malaysian Air Force are denying that they tracked the plane to the far west of it's flight path with their radar ... Malaysia Airlines MH370: Military denies missing plane detected on radar far from flight path - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

also, I was at a pub in Rockhampton last night and the barmaid serving my mate and I was telling us how her brother had tickets on MH370 but had to cancel them in the days before the flight as he had to extend his stay in KL ... amazing.

 

[psi999]

I was measuring on google earth with my fingers. Also allowing for some time spent on the east of Malaysia. The essential point being that it widens the location possibilities to too wide an area to search intensively, and may be found only by luck and goodness knows when.

I can't stop thinking about it - I can't imagine what it must be like for friends and family.

This image is too large to post here, but gives and interesting indication of range.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/rw/20...2014/03/11/Foreign/Graphics/MalaysiaRange.jpg

 

[prozac]

My comments on the tsunami warning systems came via PPRuNe and a couple of fellows with SARs experience though their comments were re Gulf of Thailand-ie shallow water-and an intact plane.
A fellow who took part in the PA103 crash said that the crash was measured on the seismic recorders.
If the plane was on autopilot and went until out of fuel on the course if the Malaaca straits info was correct would put splash down in the Indian Ocean on course for Madagascar according to the pundits.

Probably the PA103 impacted the sea bed and created a seismic wave similar to setting off explosions when running seismic for geo studies.

When we used to run sea trials up the Mallaca Straits it was quite shallow in parts (25m) so possible to impact the sea floor if a plane plunged in. That would set of a seismic shock which could be collected by the tsunami bottom sensor.

 

[markis10]

This image is too large to post here, but gives and interesting indication of range.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/rw/20...2014/03/11/Foreign/Graphics/MalaysiaRange.jpg

Its also inaccurate as it does not take into account winds aloft.

 

[DC3]

What I don't understand is why if it flew over the mainland for an hour again, ,,,.

Maybe it never flew over the mainland again. Or, if it did, perhaps that's Vietnam or something out there in the dark, someone might think.

 

[psi999]

Its also inaccurate as it does not take into account winds aloft.

Agreed, but still dial that range back ~1000 odd miles your still talking a potentially massive area (as currently no one has any idea where to even start looking it seems).

Not at all related (well maybe somewhat) but lifted this comment from a 747 classic (freighter) pilot mate of mine, stuff like this id rather not know for when i'm in the air lol.

It's not the same area at all, but as an example when flying across the part of the Indian Ocean between India and the area that Muscat controls we would all too frequently not be able to get a hold of any Indian station on HF radio for about 1.5 hours. We'd get to each waypoint, make our position report on a couple of the appropriate frequencies transmitting blind, then get a hold of Muscat on the VHF frequency as soon as we could hear them to let them know we were still in the air. For that hour an a half anything could have happened to us and no-one would have known for hours.
Note that's with the rattly old gear we had in our planes, the modern gear is much better.

 

[amaroo]

This image is too large to post here, but gives and interesting indication of range.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/rw/20...2014/03/11/Foreign/Graphics/MalaysiaRange.jpg

Even if you cut that in half - WOW!

 

[markis10]

Not at all related (well maybe somewhat) but lifted this comment from a 747 classic (freighter) pilot mate of mine, stuff like this id rather not know for when i'm in the air lol.

The days of using HF as the main comms are well and truly gone, I take it he has not flown for a while? Satcomms offer pretty much 100% coverage, and the very nature of HF is you will be able to get someone if need be, just not the station you were calling for. If you have a shortwave radio with SSB capabilities (ie a BFO) you can listen, 8867 is a common frequency.

 

[amaroo]

now Malaysian Air Force are denying that they tracked the plane to the far west of it's flight path with their radar ... Malaysia Airlines MH370: Military denies missing plane detected on radar far from flight path - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

They must be getting close to a dozen or so of these now. This tragic aviation disaster is fast turning into national embarrassment on a worldwide scale.

 

[markis10]

They must be getting close to a dozen or so of these now. This tragic aviation disaster is fast turning into national embarrassment on a worldwide scale.

I dont think they have announced anything today that can be denied tomorrow, and the Vietnamese have gone tools down until better info is received. Its almost like they are trying to hide something very embarrassing.