MH 777 missing - MH370 media statement

[markis10]

Am I the only one thinking that this event is pointing to a black hole sized weakness in Commercial Aviation safety?
It seems to me that one, perhaps two well organised and well prepared persons , may have perpetrated the whole MH 370 event.
Is really that easy to hijack an airliner ?
A good understanding of the aircraft , a good understanding of flight procedures and a simple threat device (I have a bomb here in this tube of tothpaste. )and you are in command ?
If it is that easy we need some big changes and soon.

There is nothing to suggest force has been used to coerce the pilots, there are a multitude of ways for pilots to get the message out they are under duress, none seem to have been used.

 

[boomy]

TV's not on in the QP right now. I have a suspicion that they don't want you watching news about the missing MH flight. Could I be right?

If that's the reason then it may stay off for a while...

 

[prozac]

A few days back DrA mentioned picking up seismic activity from tsunami buoys. This mention (yes it was written by a journalist), part of a larger article mentions seismic activity off the Vietnam coast.

Chinese state news agency Xinhua is reporting tonight that a Chinese seismology and research group detected an “earthquake wave” in waters between Malaysia and Vietnam at about 2.55am local time last Saturday.“The sea floor event could have been caused by the plane possibly plunging into the sea,” the group told Xinhua.
“The strength of the earthquake wave indicates the plunge was catastrophic.”
The area is 116 km northeast from where contact with MH370 was lost and is considered a non-seismic region.

Source: US official: Missing Malaysian Airlines plane is at ‘bottom of Indian Ocean’ | News.com.au

 

[RooFlyer]

There is nothing to suggest force has been used to coerce the pilots, there are a multitude of ways for pilots to get the message out they are under duress, none seem to have been used.

There's no information, full stop! Nothing to suggest what may have happened, or not, on the flight deck. And there would be NO information coming from the pilots, at all, if they were incapacitated at the start by a knowledgeable assailant(s) with access to the flight deck.

No, I'm not adding to speculation, just pointing out that no-one here can nay-say other's speculation (mostly) with any authority.

 

[markis10]

There's no information, full stop! Nothing to suggest what may have happened, or not, on the flight deck. And there would be NO information coming from the pilots, at all, if they were incapacitated at the start by a knowledgeable assailant(s) with access to the flight deck.

No, I'm not adding to speculation, just pointing out that no-one here can nay-say other's speculation (mostly) with any authority.

As I said, there are plenty of ways for the crew to let others know of a hijacking, the absence of the indications as such is actually information, for reasons I wont go into. Another consideration is the location of the last known contact, thats not a coincidence that it sits on the boundary of the FIRs, and only the pilots would know that locale.

 

[lovestotravel]

TV's not on in the QP right now. I have a suspicion that they don't want you watching news about the missing MH flight. Could I be right?

Cost cutting measure to save electricity

 

[RooFlyer]

As I said, there are plenty of ways for the crew to let others know of a hijacking, the absence of the indications as such is actually information, for reasons I wont go into. Another consideration is the location of the last known contact, thats not a coincidence that it sits on the boundary of the FIRs, and only the pilots would know that locale.

Again neither you nor we know anything about whether the secret handshake was given, or stopped, or continued, or stopped then started ...... Nor whether there was an assailant, or not, and if there is one, whether he/she was a pilot, or even an MH pilot.

And presumably more than pilots know of the "Flight Information Region" locations, such as hundreds of people in the ATC - related area of SE Asia, past and present. Yes?

And then there's the knowledge of NORAD, but I can't say about that for reasons ...

 

[QF WP]

As I said, there are plenty of ways for the crew to let others know of a hijacking, the absence of the indications as such is actually information, for reasons I wont go into. Another consideration is the location of the last known contact, thats not a coincidence that it sits on the boundary of the FIRs, and only the pilots would know that locale.

If the flight crew were disabled quickly, then perhaps they didn't have a chance and only a dumb hijacker would let others know of their position until they were ready to disclose. If they had sufficient flight training, then it's possible to fly the route.

If one of the crew took over the plane, then surely they have the knowledge to fly the route described above.

Solo many questions to answer. The tsunami wave is an interesting theory - plausible though ??

 

[prozac]

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And then there's the knowledge of NORAD, but I can't say about that for reasons ...

That's a clue! RooFlyer has alerted us he has been hijacked. Search initiated off the tassie coast....make that the Barrier Reef.

 

[jukebox333]

I'm trying to picture the environment in the cabin if this was a deliberate action by the flight deck crew (or part thereof): the IFE map showing their progress would be available to those who chose not to sleep at 1am... any announcement of a turnback would have focussed peoples attention on progress to safety. You would think once this anomoly was apparent, the cabin crew would have been hyper aware of the path not being back to KL...

I'm sure there are many things we are not being made aware of (yet) for strategic and military reasons - not just what is perceived as Malaysian "bungling" - but the improbability of it all makes it fascinating, scary, and ultimately quite sad (assuming the passengers have perished).

 

[drron]

Easy to turn off the IFE.
Of course it may not have been working anyway.Pretty common report on AFF!

 

[tgh]

Getting warmer..
Insider Was Needed to Disable Plane Systems - WSJ.com

 

[cove]

This is just so sad for the families who are left behind with no answers.

 

[legroom]

Could the mods pin a post at the beginning of this thread with known facts - updated as they are revised by the authorities ?

After a few days following this sad event, my head starts to confuse between what is confirmed knowns, confirmed unknowns, unconfirmed knowns and unconfirmed unknowns.

So many 'unnamed sources' and retracted announcements that one starts to merge into another.

I'm uninvolved and still get exasperated at the confusing drip release of information. The relatives would have it much worse.

Tom Clancy is gone now; Otherwise, I'm sure he would inject some twists into the plot.

 

[drron]

Problem is that there are very few facts.
And even the facts that are known can be interpreted in different ways eg the pings from the satellites.
But here is another curve ball from FT.The MH plane is configured to 247 Y and 35 J.So why then did the wait until the 5 who didn't check in to put the standby pax on?
If the plane was going to be limited to 228 pax-5 didn't check in but 4 stand by put on-why?Something to do with the cargo and still no details released on cargo.
Probably totally irrelevant but who knows.

 

[markis10]

Could the mods pin a post at the beginning of this thread with known facts - updated as they are revised by the authorities ?

One could say it would look like this:




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[Deleted member 29185]

Getting warmer..
Insider Was Needed to Disable Plane Systems - WSJ.com

That article states one circuit breaker renders both transponders inoperative.

I have no experience in aircraft electrical, but I do have experience with marine electrical and one overriding premise in all major classification societies is the concept of separate and independent emergency supplies. One circuit breaker does not render useless all communication devices in the marine industries and I'd be amazed if that were to be the case in aviation! If so, one faulty breaker, one loose wire, one damaged circuit takes out all communications???? Surely not.

 

[markis10]

That article states one circuit breaker renders both transponders inoperative.

I have no experience in aircraft electrical, but I do have experience with marine electrical and one overriding premise in all major classification societies is the concept of separate and independent emergency supplies. One circuit breaker does not render useless all communication devices in the marine industries and I'd be amazed if that were to be the case in aviation! If so, one faulty breaker, one loose wire, one damaged circuit takes out all communications???? Surely not.

Transponders are not all the communication devices, they are part of the suite and the article is correct, the breaker takes out the transponders in total. However it still does not take out the radios, the satcomm, the ACARs etc. Some of them would be taken offline via commands through the computer, some would need more circuit breakers.

 

[Deleted member 29185]

Transponders are not all the communication devices, they are part of the suite and the article is correct, the breaker takes out the transponders in total. However it still does not take out the radios, the satcomm, the ACARs etc. Some of them would be taken offline via commands through the computer, some would need more circuit breakers.

OK, so I'm amazed that both transponders are taken out by one breaker!

 

[markis10]

OK, so I'm amazed that both transponders are taken out by one breaker!

This pod cast gives give background in that area, pity the quality is so unprofessional

NEW PODCAST: #MH370 questions and (some) answers