MH 777 missing - MH370 media statement

[markis10]

Supposedly the transcript from MH370 and ground stations here-
Revealed: the final 54 minutes of communication from MH370 - Telegraph

Note the failure to read back the frequency on the last set of comms, I had suspected that was the case but now that I see the transcript, it indicates a duress sign to me. I am not sure if its mandatory in Malaysia but it's done on an earlier response.

 

[maninblack]

Have a bit of a read of the thread? Well Markis10 posted a link to a pretty good summary. Here is the picture. Sorry I don't have the credit for the person who made the picture but it is in thread. On too of that There is some satellite imagery that Australia has used.

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Thanks for the map, the thread has near 200 pages so sorry to say I have not read through every single one. That looks like quite a bit of conjecture for the resources being deployed given the last known track of the aircraft was heading NW from near Penang and and the additional evidence is a satellite image that even experts are not very excited about. In the absence of nothing better this must be the best lead though.

"Can I give you just one word of advice, Dmitri? Listen, Dmitri, put everything you've got into those two sectors and you can't miss." President Merkin Muffley

 

[markis10]

AMSA update (I am guessing the P8 is on standown to give the crew some rest)

The Australian Maritime Safety Authority (AMSA) has tasked six aircraft to be involved in today’s search
for Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

A Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) P3 Orion departed for the search area at around 9am. Two ultra
long range commercial jets departed for the search area at around 9.15am.

A second RAAF P3 Orion is due to depart for the search area at approximately 11am.

A New Zealand P3 Orion is due to depart for the search area at approximately 1pm.

A third RAAF P3 Orion aircraft is due to depart for the search area at approximately 3pm.

Due to the distance to and from the search area, the P3 Orion aircraft involved have an endurance of
approximately two (2) hours of search time. The ultra long range commercial jets have an endurance of
approximately five (5) hours of search time.

Two merchant vessels are currently in the search area. The Royal Australian Navy HMAS Success is
also en route to the search area and is due in the area late this afternoon.

Four self locating datum marker buoys (SLDMB) dropped in the search area earlier this week continue to
report water movement data back to AMSA.

 

[prozac]

A New Zealand P3 Orion is due to depart for the search area at approximately 1pm.
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Due to the distance to and from the search area, the P3 Orion aircraft involved have an endurance of
approximately two (2) hours of search time. The ultra long range commercial jets have an endurance of
approximately five (5) hours of search time.

Four self locating datum marker buoys (SLDMB) dropped in the search area earlier this week continue to
report water movement data back to AMSA.

Nice to see we can still depend on our fuzzy cousies from across the tassie when needed.

2 hrs is not a lot of time given the resources deployed. This will be a tedious SAR and may not yield a result.

There has been some imagery of crew deploying the SLDMB but no explanation...now we know for certain. Well, I do now...

 

[markis10]

There has been some imagery of crew deploying the SLDMB but no explanation...now we know for certain. Well, I do now...

SOP, provides datum info on actual current in the sighting area versus estimates from nearby permanent markers that may not be that nearby.

 

[prozac]

I figured they were measuring drift along different latitudes when I saw them dropping the marker buoys out the back of the aircraft. Our eagle eyed journo's seemed to miss the significance if the exercise.

 

[ozkid]

Note the failure to read back the frequency on the last set of comms, I had suspected that was the case but now that I see the transcript, it indicates a duress sign to me. I am not sure if its mandatory in Malaysia but it's done on an earlier response.

Without revealing security secrets or such, can you explain your reasoning further? You've mentioned duress twice already in relation to the copilot's responses...

 

[browski]

Thanks for the map, the thread has near 200 pages so sorry to say I have not read through every single one. That looks like quite a bit of conjecture for the resources being deployed given the last known track of the aircraft was heading NW from near Penang and and the additional evidence is a satellite image that even experts are not very excited about. In the absence of nothing better this must be the best lead though.

"Can I give you just one word of advice, Dmitri? Listen, Dmitri, put everything you've got into those two sectors and you can't miss." President Merkin Muffley

I think the prevailing logic is that it is better to be seen to be searching in the completely wrong area with highly skilled operators rather than searching in the most likely areas with morons.

 

[markis10]

Without revealing security secrets or such, can you explain your reasoning further? You've mentioned duress twice already in relation to the copilot's responses...

It could be just poor radio procedures, some countries are notable for it, however there are also codes that can be used. Problem is, in this case a possible hijack could be done by an inside source that knows the codes. So if your a pilot trying to get the message out what would you do, all of a sudden not reading back clearances and frequencies would be one way. As an ATC, often the tone of a voice and the lack or a readback is indicative of something not right, be it comprehension or something more sinister.

 

[FuzzyAUS]

Stupid Question

do any of the Orion's or other SAR aircraft have re-fuelling capability? I know it would need a lot more endorsements etc, but the 2 hr / 5 hr time on target/SAR work isnt quite a lot

Yes I understand the distance that needs to be covered and would rarely be needed, but more a curiosity

Fuzz

 

[maninblack]

I think the prevailing logic is that it is better to be seen to be searching in the completely wrong area with highly skilled operators rather than searching in the most likely areas with morons.

It certainly is good training for our forces.

It could be just poor radio procedures, some countries are notable for it, however there are also codes that can be used. Problem is, in this case a possible hijack could be done by an inside source that knows the codes. So if your a pilot trying to get the message out what would you do, all of a sudden not reading back clearances and frequencies would be one way. As an ATC, often the tone of a voice and the lack or a readback is indicative of something not right, be it comprehension or something more sinister.

I don't imagine that the average pilot or Air traffic controller have managed many hijack situations.

 

[Boris spatsky]

No, none of the current assets have AAR capability (P8 doesn't either as far as i am aware).

 

[markis10]

No, none of the current assets have AAR capability (P8 doesn't either as far as i am aware).

P8 has AAR, with a boom receptacle aft of the coughpit on the roof, however it's not yet certified.

Its a UARRSI same as the C17s

 

[markis10]

I don't imagine that the average pilot or Air traffic controller have managed many hijack situations.

Quite a few have, and that's why we are always trained for it, I actually lost my paired trainee during a hijack exercise when they mentioned at the end of the radar sim they hadn't seen xyz, which was the aircraft in question that I had spent most of the exercise clearing airspace around.

 

[ozbeachbabe]

You could say the same for the number 191...

Hadn't realised that - there's been AA191 DC-10 in ORD, DL191 L-1011 in DFW and the really eerie thing is at the time I read your post earlier this morning this very thread was up to page 191! :shock: :shock:

 

[amaroo]

It certainly is good training for our forces.

Particularly, as we're going to be adding 8 of those P-8A to the fleet Abbott Government to buy eight new Boeing P-8A Poseidon spy planes | News.com.au

The Boeing/US Navy sales rep couldn't have asked for better timing

 

[zainman]

do we know what type of planes those 'ultra long haul' commercial are, the ones flying from perth?

 

[Quickstatus]

do we know what type of planes those 'ultra long haul' commercial are, the ones flying from perth?

I think they are those private jet types - Bombardier Global express or something similar

 

[medhead]

I think the prevailing logic is that it is better to be seen to be searching in the completely wrong area with highly skilled operators rather than searching in the most likely areas with morons.

They are currently searching on of the possible areas that matches a reported aircraft location after it flew for 7 hours. I'm not sure where you think the most likely area happens to be, but I doubt the aircraft would be anywhere near Malaysia after flying for 7 hours without radar contact.

 

[browski]

They are currently searching on of the possible areas that matches a reported aircraft location after it flew for 7 hours. I'm not sure where you think the most likely area happens to be, but I doubt the aircraft would be anywhere near Malaysia after flying for 7 hours without radar contact.

If some people said they saw the plane overhead 8 hours after it went missing (but it was in a completely different area to any of the current search areas) what would take precedence - stick to the theoretical search area or move to the visual sighting?