MH 777 missing - MH370 media statement

[prozac]

So Prozac, Malaysia dismissed the eye-witness account from Kudahuvadhoo, Maldives based on:
1. It could not have reached that far on the fuel required
2. No military or civilian radar detected the aircraft.
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Mate, I find your post aggressive. Why have you chosen to attack me?

 

[browski]

Mate, I find your post aggressive. Why have you chosen to attack me?

Sorry Prozac, it was not meant to be aggressive, I was just excited to see (and agree) with your findings.

 

[prozac]

Well don't get too excited. I am not a navigator and used some online tools to arrive at those numbers. Could be inaccurate.

 

[medhead]

It was one ping right at the end that placed the aircraft anywhere but the Maldives. Let's not ignore that. Let's also not ignore that the range of the aircraft has been worked out by people who know a shed load more than most people speculating here.

Here is the number of AMSA, perhaps call them to let them know they're searching the wrong area. 1800 815 257

http://www.amsa.gov.au/contact-us/

 

[markis10]

lol. They are the approx coordinates Penang.
Trying an approx (well near as dammit) for the search area ... (5°17'50"N 100°16'37"E) Penang to (40°15'00"S 100°00'00"E) edge Sthn ocean AMSA search area = 2,535nm approx.
Anyone feel free to correct this.

The search area is irrelevant, that's the debris field after two weeks of drift.

A known satellite ping will always have precedence over eyewitness reports because they are notorious for being wrong.

 

[browski]

It was one ping right at the end that placed the aircraft anywhere but the Maldives. Let's not ignore that. Let's also not ignore that the range of the aircraft has been worked out by people who know a shed load more than most people speculating here.

Here is the number of AMSA, perhaps call them to let them know they're searching the wrong area. 1800 815 257

AMSA :: Australian Maritime Safety Authority

You wouldn't by chance have the number of who tells AMSA where to search?
I'm not ignoring that the "ping strategy" is a good one and may well bear fruit.
But with no leads at all, to ignore eye-witness reports because of two falsehoods (range and radar) seems a tad arrogant.

 

[markis10]

You wouldn't by chance have the number of who tells AMSA where to search?
I'm not ignoring that the "ping strategy" is a good one and may well bear fruit.
But with no leads at all, to ignore eye-witness reports because of two falsehoods (range and radar) seems a tad arrogant.

Amsa don't get told where to search, they work it out. They are not ignoring the Maldives, its not in their area of responsibility.

 

[medhead]

You wouldn't by chance have the number of who tells AMSA where to search?
I'm not ignoring that the "ping strategy" is a good one and may well bear fruit.
But with no leads at all, to ignore eye-witness reports because of two falsehoods (range and radar) seems a tad arrogant.

Range and radar, in your opinion. As I said people who know vastly more about this specific case than you or me have worked out the possible range.

 

[drron]

An interesting article on the implications of MH370-
The sinister, scary impact of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 - Intelligent Travel

One suggestion both on PPRuNe and FT is instead of a plane answering the ping that it should also return the coordinates.Hence should be much quicker in identifying where a plane is or come down.

 

[Simo]

MH370 has won on hide and seek...

 

[markis10]

An interesting article on the implications of MH370-
The sinister, scary impact of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 - Intelligent Travel

One suggestion both on PPRuNe and FT is instead of a plane answering the ping that it should also return the coordinates.Hence should be much quicker in identifying where a plane is or come down.

The newer aircraft with Iridium connectivity do exactly that as they are orbiting rather than geosync re handoff.

 

[drron]

The newer aircraft with Iridium connectivity do exactly that as they are orbiting rather than geosync re handoff.

So hopefully that will become mandatory.
Sure a cost but ultimately a saving in search costs probably.

 

[woodborer]

Note the failure to read back the frequency on the last set of comms, I had suspected that was the case but now that I see the transcript, it indicates a duress sign to me. I am not sure if its mandatory in Malaysia but it's done on an earlier response.

Is confirming flight altitude 350 twice in 6 minutes significant?

 

[prozac]

The search area is irrelevant, that's the debris field after two weeks of drift.

A known satellite ping will always have precedence over eyewitness reports because they are notorious for being wrong.

I provided assistance to answering a question about the distance to the search area. I did not pass an opinion.

 

[markis10]

I provided assistance to answering a question about the distance to the search area. I did not pass an opinion.

I did not mean to infer you did pass an opinion, my apologies if it looks that way.

 

[whatmeworry]

It could be just poor radio procedures, some countries are notable for it, however there are also codes that can be used. Problem is, in this case a possible hijack could be done by an inside source that knows the codes. So if your a pilot trying to get the message out what would you do, all of a sudden not reading back clearances and frequencies would be one way. As an ATC, often the tone of a voice and the lack or a readback is indicative of something not right, be it comprehension or something more sinister.

In those situations what can an ATC? What follow up questions can they try? Who do they contact to voice their suspicions?

 

[N860CR]

Is confirming flight altitude 350 twice in 6 minutes significant?

No... When you're making fairly routine radio calls it's easy enough to forget if you actually called the controller or not when handed over (did it myself today... Oops). Generally in Australia I'd prefix with "can't remember if I called or not but xx_ maintaining FL340". Probably wouldn't add plain English in foreign airspace though.

 

[markis10]

In those situations what can an ATC? What follow up questions can they try? Who do they contact to voice their suspicions?

There are a lot of things they can do and I won't go into them. In this case it would have been a hotline call to the next sector confirming they had the aircraft, I believe that didn't happen and the aircraft was in a void re ATC concern for some time.

 

[amaroo]

Very good news!

Malaysia Airlines flight: investigators find nothing suspicious in pilot's flight simulator

 

[Rox]

In those situations what can an ATC? What follow up questions can they try? Who do they contact to voice their suspicions?

Not directly related to this, but I was watching a documentary on 9/11 where one ATC was so concerned that he skipped the chain of protocols he was supposed to follow and rang the closest air base direct. That made a big difference in speed of getting jets in the air, and might've made a difference if they had been able to find the planes in time.