MH 777 missing - MH370 media statement

[kpc]

Perhaps a much more important modification, would be to include a toilet within the lockable part of the coughpit.

Like the A380 which I believe was designed post 9/11.

 

[wandering_fred]

OTOH consider the front toilet on the B737s and A32x in the current generation of narrow bodies.....
Then consider where the pilots' toilet would go....

Really wandering
Fred

 

[Sabot]

OTOH consider the front toilet on the B737s and A32x in the current generation of narrow bodies.....
Then consider where the pilots' toilet would go....

Really wandering
Fred

Maybe the next step is adult nappies and external catheters?

 

[marki]

Perhaps a much more important modification, would be to include a toilet within the lockable part of the coughpit.

It would be decked out with golden taps perhaps

Post automatically merged: Feb 7, 2020

Good idea and honestly I've wondered myself why this hasn't already been done in later generations of aircraft.
Makes sense from a security standpoint but also a hygiene one, particularly in light of what's happening with the coronavirus.

Pilots and the flight deck should be protected above all else.

yep its called washing hands after going to the loo. i.e. basic hygiene.

 

[marki]

Like the A380 which I believe was designed post 9/11.

had no idea there was a toilet? in that sensitive area.

 

[Happy Trails]

Seat plans for some of the superseded 747s show two toilets at the front of the upper deck, only one of which, IIRC, was accessible to passengers.
I expect JB747 will know.

 

[jb747]

Aircraft differ across the airlines. The QF 380s have two doors to the coughpit. One is a security door, as mandated post 9/11, whilst the other is simply a lockable door. In the gap between them, is a toilet, and access to two rest areas. The airlock idea is excellent, and really should also be mandated.

Not all airlines have gone this way with the 380 (and virtually all other types), with the result that passengers may well be hanging around just outside the coughpit door. That is extremely undesirable.

Yes, it would be problematic in narrow bodies, but it really shouldn't be all that hard in bigger aircraft.

All of the 747-400s in the QF fleet had a toilet at the rear of the coughpit, and within the secure area. The -300s did too, but beyond that I can't recall.

 

[Melburnian1]

'The Australian' is reporting (19 February 2020, 2020 hours AEDT) that the head of the Australian Transport Safety Bureau, Mr Martin Dolan, is admitting that it may have been wrong and that those who from the start who suggested that it was a 'rogue pilot to the end' may be correct.

Given what this government agency 'invested' in its beliefs about the event, this is a stunning development.

IIRC didn't ATSB trenchantly criticise those who stuck their necks out and claimed it was a suicide by the pilot?

It's easy with hindsight to make comments, but looking back it's highly arguable that this occurred.

The Hon Tony Abbott's comments yesterday that the 'highest levels of the Malaysian Government' told him this adds a significant new dimension. Unfortunately for Malaysia, its government gives the impression of obfuscation from as soon as the plane went missing.

I wonder if there'll be resignations from the ATSB.

Perhaps the searches are discrete from the claims and counterclaims about what occurred - I'll leave that to the aviation experts - but Australian taxpayers have shelled out a lot.

 

[Quickstatus]

All along, the ATSB has maintained that the rogue pilot theory did not fit the analysis of the data. Until now...

 

[Melburnian1]

All along, the ATSB has maintained that the rogue pilot theory did not fit the analysis of the data. Until now...

Notably a day after Mr Abbott made his comments.

How hugely embarrassing for this Federal Government agency to have to correct its stance.

Would love to have been a fly on the wall yesterday!

While not yet apparent, this revelation from a former PM - a recent Australian one at that - may have repercussions for Australia's relations with Malaysia. Not saying that's bad at all, but the diplomats will be very busy.

 

[jb747]

Until the aircraft is actually found, all of these are simply theories. As we’ve seen so many times, the fact that something is extremely unlikely does not mean that it did not (or will not) happen.

The rogue pilot is an excellent outcome from many angles, as it nicely places the blame, and more importantly removes any hint of blame from the aircraft or airline.

I simply don’t know. For sure, one reason does seem to be the most likely, but that does not make it so.

 

[Melburnian1]

...The rogue pilot is an excellent outcome from many angles, as it nicely places the blame, and more importantly removes any hint of blame from the aircraft or airline..

The Malaysian Government doesn't seem to perceive it as an 'excellent outcome' given its (in)action to date.

If the pilot had exhibited unusual or concerning behaviour, or had unusual conversations with colleagues that someone reported to management, that hardly absolves the airline. I've forgotten but haven't there been some allegations about that?

 

[dajop]

It may be embarrassing in a small circle, the world has long since moved on (and indeed the Malaysian government that oversaw the initial reaction and investigation was dumped by its voters). More pressing things for the world to worry about now.

 

[Quickstatus]

What the Rogue pilot theory RPT or for that matter any other theory does is inform a possible search site that may be different due to the different assumptions for the input.

It would be interesting to find out if the search site is different for a RPT

As for AU-MY relations, I don’t think it’s warmed after Keating’s “recalcitrant” comment, but Najib has been ousted and Mahatir - the “recalcitrant” one is amazingly back in power.

 

[Melburnian1]

It may be embarrassing in a small circle...

Sounds like you don't understand how the public sector works. Not a small sector in Oz!

 

[Franky]

'The Australian' is reporting (19 February 2020, 2020 hours AEDT) that the head of the Australian Transport Safety Bureau, Mr Martin Dolan, is admitting that it may have been wrong and that those who from the start who suggested that it was a 'rogue pilot to the end' may be correct.

Given what this government agency 'invested' in its beliefs about the event, this is a stunning development.

IIRC didn't ATSB trenchantly criticise those who stuck their necks out and claimed it was a suicide by the pilot?

It's easy with hindsight to make comments, but looking back it's highly arguable that this occurred.

The Hon Tony Abbott's comments yesterday that the 'highest levels of the Malaysian Government' told him this adds a significant new dimension. Unfortunately for Malaysia, its government gives the impression of obfuscation from as soon as the plane went missing.

I wonder if there'll be resignations from the ATSB.

Perhaps the searches are discrete from the claims and counterclaims about what occurred - I'll leave that to the aviation experts - but Australian taxpayers have shelled out a lot.

I noted in the article by The Oz that he is now 'the former' head of the ATSB - perhaps he was given the messsage?

 

[Melburnian1]

I noted in the article by The Oz that he is now 'the former' head of the ATSB - perhaps he was given the messsage?

Not sure, as other media today merely refer to him as 'retired' or similar. He'd been there for a number of years IIRC.

 

[moa999]

Whether they said it publicly or not I don't think matters.

The search area was mapped out on the basis of fact from the satellite pings and fuel reserves.

 

[p--and--t]

I noted in the article by The Oz that he is now 'the former' head of the ATSB - perhaps he was given the messsage?

An old article, but maybe you referring to this.....

Crikey | News, investigations, analysis and opinion

An independent Australian website for news, investigations, analysis and opinion across politics, world affairs, business, society and culture.

blogs.crikey.com.au

 

[Franky]

An old article, but maybe you referring to this.....

Crikey | News, investigations, analysis and opinion

An independent Australian website for news, investigations, analysis and opinion across politics, world affairs, business, society and culture.

blogs.crikey.com.au

Wasn't aware of this at all, but if he really did get the push that long ago, I wonder why he would put his head up over the parapet now?