Nabbing spare goodies from premium cabins

[Austman]

I thought the discussion was about consumables. Amenity kits etc.

 

[marki]

I thought the discussion was about consumables. Amenity kits etc.

The definition varies for non-repentants ....... A mattress can be considered a consumable after a short lifetime of use

 

[Pushka]

Would they really just throw away untouched amenity kits at the end of a flight?

(This may well be the case - I have no idea!)

I reckon. There is no quick way to guarantee the product hadn't been opened and items used/removed.

 

[Austman]

I reckon. There is no quick way to guarantee the product hadn't been opened and items used/removed.

There was a little nylon security price tag thing on the QF Jack Spade kit I received recently - you needed to break it to open the kit. Another airline had their kit in a plastic wrap that you needed to break open. And bottled water is pretty obviously still sealed or not at the cap.

 

[RooFlyer]

I didn't claim that they were abandoned. I said 'As long as the items were abandoned...'

Like I said ... where do you get 'abandoned' (in the context of this discussion)? The OP clearly states that they were left on unused seats. Pax didn't abandon them, as there wasn't a pax in the seats. Airline didn't abandon them, as they were still in the aircraft.

Unlikely as the airline has already reassigned ownership of the items to the passenger/potential passenger.

Really? Interesting concept. The seats where the amenity kits lay were un-occupied. How do you assign ownership to a 'potential passenger'? A whole new area of law??

Your Honour, my client didn't steal the headphones from the aircraft prior to its departure, as he was a potential passenger on it ...

Maybe I could walk off with those bottles of scotch in the lounge. After all, they are just sitting there, unclaimed and seemingly 'abandoned' by the lounge operator. Oh, and there's that iPhone on the table there. Its owner has walked off - obviously abandoned it. I may as well take it.

Bottom lone folks - if it isn't yours, and hasn't been given to you, or you have been given permission to take it, its not yours. Hands off.

Potential passenger, forsooth.

 

[juddles]

I have to agree with Rooflyer here - it appears we are talking untouched kits sitting on non-occupied seats. I truly do not believe that these would be thrown out as rubbish by the cleaning staff.

But I understand that people will grab these sort of things from time to time, and I am sure that no court would convict anyone for doing so.

 

[Major]

This would be a good question for the chicken or beef thread http://www.australianfrequentflyer....ns/now-boarding-chicken-or-beef-31399-10.html

Are the amenity kits chucked out after each flight ?

I will let the OP post if he wishes

 

[Foreigner]

Interesting thread and opinions!

 

[marki]

Like I said ... where do you get 'abandoned' (in the context of this discussion)? The OP clearly states that they were left on unused seats. Pax didn't abandon them, as there wasn't a pax in the seats. Airline didn't abandon them, as they were still in the aircraft.




Really? Interesting concept. The seats where the amenity kits lay were un-occupied. How do you assign ownership to a 'potential passenger'? A whole new area of law??




Maybe I could walk off with those bottles of scotch in the lounge. After all, they are just sitting there, unclaimed and seemingly 'abandoned' by the lounge operator. Oh, and there's that iPhone on the table there. Its owner has walked off - obviously abandoned it. I may as well take it.

Bottom lone folks - if it isn't yours, and hasn't been given to you, or you have been given permission to take it, its not yours. Hands off.

Potential passenger, forsooth.

RooFlyer is right

 

[Atleastonce]

It is larceny by finding. Most crimes acts have this in them. Even if abandoned, which in this case I don't think they are, you have to make an attempt to find the owner before claiming a right to take possession. It is similar to picking up a tangible thing on the street and keeping it, or even taking something from the footpath that has been left out for a hard rubbish collection by the council. The owners have thrown it out, and effectively transferred ownership but it is still larceny. At what point is ownership transferred and to whom with amenities kits. It is an interesting argument and if it was argued in a court it would be so around definitions more so on anything else. People don't get convicted on the facts but the ability of their legal representative to argue the admissibility of the facts.

 

[opusman]

It seems very unlikely that the airline would just throw unused amenity kits away.

And you only have to look on ebay to see there is a market for this sort of stuff. So the people helping themselves are not just stealing, they are quite likely selling stolen goods as well

 

[Pushka]

We were asked if we wanted to take a couple of bottles of unopened wine on an international flight as the FA said all stores were disposed of at each sector. Or maybe he just liked us?

Still think all the amenity kits get tossed by the cleaning staff. They dont get time to inspect them. Its probably why kits are now usually handed to people when seated rather than left on all the seats.

 

[JohnK]

As I was walking out of QF128 this morning there was an opened male and female anenity kit on the seat together near the front. I wanted to take them, not for anything inside, but they are good to store toiletries on trips. Didn't take them as a number of crew were there saying goodbye.

 

[marki]

It seems very unlikely that the airline would just throw unused amenity kits away.

And you only have to look on ebay to see there is a market for this sort of stuff. So the people helping themselves are not just stealing, they are quite likely selling stolen goods as well

They will never reuse imho something to do with safety

 

[opusman]

They will never reuse imho something to do with safety

As mentioned above, they are sealed.

 

[Mattg]

This would be a good question for the chicken or beef thread http://www.australianfrequentflyer....ns/now-boarding-chicken-or-beef-31399-10.html

Are the amenity kits chucked out after each flight ?

I will let the OP post if he wishes

Good idea! I have posted in that thread.

 

[nodabs]

While I doubt staff would care I think it would feel wrong to simply take without asking, seems to have more to do with an individuals moral compass as it's a bit of a grey area. I have asked if there where spare amenity kits and even PJ's for my Girlfriend and staff have been only too happy to provide if available, though I wouldn't even think of asking if they were not provided in my ticket cabin...

 

[Dr Ralph]

Like I said ... where do you get 'abandoned' (in the context of this discussion)? The OP clearly states that they were left on unused seats. Pax didn't abandon them, as there wasn't a pax in the seats. Airline didn't abandon them, as they were still in the aircraft.




Really? Interesting concept. The seats where the amenity kits lay were un-occupied. How do you assign ownership to a 'potential passenger'? A whole new area of law??




Maybe I could walk off with those bottles of scotch in the lounge. After all, they are just sitting there, unclaimed and seemingly 'abandoned' by the lounge operator. Oh, and there's that iPhone on the table there. Its owner has walked off - obviously abandoned it. I may as well take it.

Bottom lone folks - if it isn't yours, and hasn't been given to you, or you have been given permission to take it, its not yours. Hands off.

Potential passenger, forsooth.

It appears that you don't understand the legal concept of abandoned at all and haven't clearly read what I have written. At no stage did I proffer an opinion as to whether the amenities kit was abandoned or not. If you have formed this view I recommend re-reading my comments.

I did, however, offer a view that the mattress was NOT abandoned.

You may have also failed to understand the relevance of contract law to this situation. One area of the law rarely works in isolation.

You may wish to read some decided cases on this topic to see how the concept of abandonment has been interpreted and applied by courts in Australia. As a registered legal practitioner in NSW I have already undertaken research in this area and successfully represented a number of clients. So I'm confident that I have a good understanding of this area of the law, and this appeared to be the view of the court as well.

 

[medhead]

on my most recent 747 J flight I took the almost unused kit of my seat buddy. He took out the eye mask only and dropped it on the floor about 3 minutes later. Didn't touch the rest of the kit and left it when disembarking. I picked it up to return to him but couldn't find him in SYD customs area. I wasn't too bothered as the guy was carrying on like a bit of a pork chop for most of the flight. I think he was huffy at not getting a window seat.

Oh well. I thought about trying to get his PJs to him, but as they were still in the ribbon I figured Qantas might re-use them

 

[medhead]

Like I said ... where do you get 'abandoned' (in the context of this discussion)? The OP clearly states that they were left on unused seats. Pax didn't abandon them, as there wasn't a pax in the seats. Airline didn't abandon them, as they were still in the aircraft.

I think if you read the whole post and not just one sentence you will see that Dr Ralph has not concluded they were abandoned. Rather they are saying that is the legal standard for people to assess their own behaviour against. Yes, that might be fence sitting but it was pretty vaulable advice, really.

Are they rubbish?

Ever heard of theft by finding?

As long as they are abandoned you are OK. But you need to make sure that the items are abandoned first. Asking if they are rubbish would be prudent.

And yes if you're wondering 'abandoned' is a legal term related inter alia to criminal law.

All that's required is that you have an honest belief that the item was abandoned or have taken reasonable steps to establish this.