NBN Discussion

[medhead]

Re: What's your prediction on the Australian Dollar?

I'm currently quite happy with the 15-20 Mbps I currently enjoy with ADSL. Is something going to happen to take this away?

I'm not happy with the 0.25 Mbps I get with ADSL. The problem with ADSL is the A, to repeat myself. If I could trade off some of the down for more of the up I'd be very happy.

 

[Must...Fly!]

Re: What's your prediction on the Australian Dollar?

That is part of the problem, not everyone can reach those speeds serfty and I venture to suggest you wouldn't be particularly pleased if you have one-third of the speed you have.

In the interests of disclosure we have about 14-15mbps at home and the option to use Telstra HFC at 100mbps which I am investigating.

 

[drsmithy]

Re: What's your prediction on the Australian Dollar?

I only get 10Mb down at home, but I am much more frustrated by my piddly 1Mb UPLINK speed.

 

[serfty]

Well if you want to stream 4k video in 10 years it won't be sufficient.

Why would I want to stream 4K video? In any case, as per above, in 10 years such "4K Video" is unlikely to involve physical connections.

I'm not happy with the 0.25 Mbps I get with ADSL. The problem with ADSL is the A, to repeat myself. If I could trade off some of the down for more of the up I'd be very happy.

Tell me about it, a year ago I moved from a premises that was at 24Mbps.

 

[777]

Re: What's your prediction on the Australian Dollar?

That's of no real interest to me. I'm only referring to "useful steaming capacity".

My reference to that today was in response to copper conduits requiring maintenance and the likely non requirement for any physical connection in ten years time making such observation moot.

I have a 100 megabit connection right now on the NBN. That is 4 times faster than most Australian households. It is "useful" but it is still short of peak efficiency. It still takes time to move large presentation files and there are still delays in my work that detract from my ability to get work done.

We are in Paris today, my wife attempted to back up a large dropbox folder (she's a software developer who works with code, audio and video files) in 5 hours before we left home (on the NBN) and found that she couldn't do so because she ran out of time.

On a standard ADSL connection that would not have been possible in 24 hours. On a wireless connection it would simply not have been possible to even try given the tiny quotas that apply to wireless files -- they only way those networks can be kept to manageable speed is through tight quotas on how much data you can use.

Right now, maybe we seem like an anomaly but given that every phone on the market these days is capable of recording HD video x 100hrs and the services designed around them are designed to link directly to the cloud. We aren't far off the time when common household devices use more data in a week than you might have used yourself in the last 2 years. There's a reason none of these devices sync automatically unless you get home - unless there is a massive change in pricing structure (eg. the end of quotas to throttle usage keep speeds up) the next generation of cloud linked video products will cost a fortune and ground existing networks to a halt.

 

[777]

Why would I want to stream 4K video? In any case, as per above, in 10 years such "4K Video" is unlikely to involve physical connections.

Because it is the default standard coming on to the market and i don't know if you've noticed but video shops are getting a bit few and far between. There's this internet thing that people use for watching videos and they generally want to watch whatever resolution their TVs get.

 

[drsmithy]

Why would I want to stream 4K video?

Same reason that today you presumably stream higher resolution video than you did ten years ago ?

In any case, as per above, in 10 years such "4K Video" is unlikely to involve physical connections.

Depends. You'll need 30Mb to do it. LTE can do that today, it's true, but how well it copes in a decade when every man and his dog also has an LTE phone pulling down boatloads of data is anyone's guess.

 

[amaroo]

Re: What's your prediction on the Australian Dollar?

I'm currently quite happy with the 15-20 Mbps I currently enjoy with ADSL.

+ 1 ...........

 

[james4321]

Re: What's your prediction on the Australian Dollar?

Originally Posted by serfty
I'm currently quite happy with the 15-20 Mbps I currently enjoy with ADSL.

+ 1 ...........

So your point is ????

 

[cgichard]

Re: What's your prediction on the Australian Dollar?

I'm currently quite happy with the 15-20 Mbps I currently enjoy with ADSL. Is something going to happen to take this away?

So am I. But in my area (at things stand at present, might depend perhaps on the election result) unless I switch to NBN by May next year I will have no telephone line.

Yes, I do know that I can make phone calls via my computer - in fact I do, as the rates are slightly cheaper. But the quality is not good (I'm told there's a 'hollow' sound on the line) and I want to be able to make and receive calls when the computer is not switched on. I do not want an 'on all the time' connection, and am certainly not inclined to pay for an additional power point to be installed for its 'dedicated' use.

 

[Skyring]

Re: What's your prediction on the Australian Dollar?

We aren't far off the time when common household devices use more data in a week than you might have used yourself in the last 2 years.

We can iron out any problems. Put a freeze on development. Shave off a few cents here and there. See how it pans out.

 

[markis10]

Re: What's your prediction on the Australian Dollar?

Originally Posted by serfty
I'm currently quite happy with the 15-20 Mbps I currently enjoy with ADSL.





So your point is ????

Agreeing with Serfty's post, ie Happy with what they have.

FWIW I have been 100% wireless for three years and I am happy with what I have, rich content is not life replacement therapy. Ironically I am the most contactable person in the company out of hours, thanks to mobility.

 

[serfty]

Re: What's your prediction on the Australian Dollar?

I have a 100 megabit connection right now on the NBN. That is 4 times faster than most Australian households. It is "useful" but it is still short of peak efficiency. It still takes time to move large presentation files and there are still delays in my work that detract from my ability to get work done. ...

No doubt you perceive the need for such and are happy to pay for it.

...

So your point is ????

See above, I don't have a requirement and have no interest in paying additional for something I don't need.

Anyhoo ... most of this discussion is almost certainly moot (see my post #93) and I am bowing out of it for now ...

 

[medhead]

Re: What's your prediction on the Australian Dollar?

So am I. But in my area (at things stand at present, might depend perhaps on the election result) unless I switch to NBN by May next year I will have no telephone line.

Yes, I do know that I can make phone calls via my computer - in fact I do, as the rates are slightly cheaper. But the quality is not good (I'm told there's a 'hollow' sound on the line) and I want to be able to make and receive calls when the computer is not switched on. I do not want an 'on all the time' connection, and am certainly not inclined to pay for an additional power point to be installed for its 'dedicated' use.

You don't need to have your computer on to make VOIP calls.

 

[cgichard]

Re: What's your prediction on the Australian Dollar?

You don't need to have your computer on to make VOIP calls.

OK - correction: I need to have the modem switched on. But when I'm not using the computer or its peripherals I consider it preferable to switch everything off completely at the power point so there is no stand-by power usage. I run the whole system from a single power board from a single switch I can switch it all off when not in use.

 

[medhead]

Re: What's your prediction on the Australian Dollar?

OK - correction: I need to have the modem switched on. But when I'm not using the computer or its peripherals I consider it preferable to switch everything off completely at the power point so there is no stand-by power usage. I run the whole system from a single power board from a single switch I can switch it all off when not in use.

Umm, ok then. I find the convenience of having the wireless available all the time, not to mention the VOIP phone, vastly outweighs the cost of the standby power usage of a modem/router. Anyway, your call.

 

[james4321]

Re: What's your prediction on the Australian Dollar?

No doubt you perceive the need for such and are happy to pay for it.


See above, I don't have a requirement and have no interest in paying additional for something I don't need.

Anyhoo ... most of this discussion is almost certainly moot (see my post #93) and I am bowing out of it for now ...

In other words I'm allright Jack ?? By that thinking then if I'm happy with - for example -the roads around where I live then I dont want to pay for upgrades in other areas ? What sort of national infrastructure would we have if we all took that attitude?

 

[amaroo]

Re: What's your prediction on the Australian Dollar?

So your point is ????

+1 = I agree with a post

 

[777]

Re: What's your prediction on the Australian Dollar?

No doubt you perceive the need for such and are happy to pay for it.

It's kind of how infrastructure works. The government builds roads to places I have no need to drive to either but the efficiency is in building a network. The most basic NBN plans cost almost exactly the same as the most basic ones on the copper network and the network is ultimately a user pays system.

Now, It costs more than the entire cost of the NBN each year to build and maintain Australia's road network and petrol taxes are a fraction of that cost. I don't actually own a car or even have a license so right now I'm subsidizing you every time you get in a car.Am I complaining? No. I get that the infrastructure has value wether I personally use it or not.

If you're argument is really a philosophical one then lets make the roads 100% user pays. If you're happy to switch the provision of roads to the same model I'll accept your point. I'll personally come out well ahead.

 

[Skyring]

Re: What's your prediction on the Australian Dollar?

In other words I'm allright Jack ?? By that thinking then if I'm happy with - for example -the roads around where I live then I dont want to pay for upgrades in other areas ? What sort of national infrastructure would we have if we all took that attitude?

If the road upgrades were mainly for recreational use of boy racers, I might think we need to cut back on the souped up Subarus, rather than build six-lane freeways for their use.

Fair suck, what are people using 200 Gb a month for? Out in the Western Suburbs of the Marginal Electorates, it looks to me like we are subsidising piracy on a massive scale.