NBN Discussion

[jb747]

The NBN "brand" never attained any cachet. There is no trust or loyalty and a chasm of disconnect - a very bad way to run a "business"

All of which was displayed by the saga I had to go through to get my connection working. You should not end up on a first name basis with your local member, nor should you ultimately end up fixing the issue only because you managed to get a couple of parliamentarians to take up the case.

In any event, I'll stand by my initial comments. Whilst the upgrade to 45 meg/sec from ADSL1 at 8 meg/sec was nice, it still represents a huge waste of money. There is no growth potential....so eventually it will end up needing another zillion dollars to be spent to put in the fibre that they should have used in the first place. In my case, simply adding more ADSL2 capability at the local node would have given me a 300% upgrade, for virtually zero dollars. Add to that, the fact that Telstra has done virtually no line maintenance since the whole NBN thing was initially heard of...and getting rid of the copper will become necessary sooner rather than later.

But, we're also spending 120 million dollars just to work out an opinion that the pollies already know. Financially wise is something that governments (of all colours) are not....

 

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In any event, I'll stand by my initial comments. Whilst the upgrade to 45 meg/sec from ADSL1 at 8 meg/sec was nice, it still represents a huge waste of money. There is no growth potential....so eventually it will end up needing another zillion dollars to be spent to put in the fibre that they should have used in the first place. In my case, simply adding more ADSL2 capability at the local node would have given me a 300% upgrade, for virtually zero dollars. Add to that, the fact that Telstra has done virtually no line maintenance since the whole NBN thing was initially heard of...and getting rid of the copper will become necessary sooner rather than later.

And speding zillions so that many NBN areas have speeds which are no different or lower than ADSL in peak times for same or more cost.

How would more adsl capability give an improvement in speed - as its a function of distance to exchange?.

According to the telstra tech who came to sort out my recent terrible adsl speed (<0.5mbps) said that the copper is very old - the copper was installed around the WW2. I dont know if this is true but manual exchanges started appearing around 1930s. He also said that Im lucky there were still some unused/spare wire pairs that could be used for my ADSL but as they were all old, it was really an excercise in moving my adsl to another pair, and so on. Sometimes moving back to a previously used pair. He said the weather especially moisture affects the performance of old copper - something about not waterproof.

They dont repair anything - just use a spare wire pair. The problem pair gets put back as a spare to be tried later. Apparently there are records of problem pairs but they are unreliable -they just find an unused pair test it and use it.

 

[RB]

Our current address is no longer appearing on any of the NBN searches-was there previously and cross streets still show

Got this answer from NBN. (I had spoken to aussiebroadband & they advised (had seen other exaamples) to forget about things for at least 6 months)
"Service Unavailable means that the nbn™ network is available in your area however additional works are necessary to allow a service to be connected. Our rollout map can only provide an indicative view of serviceable addresses. We apologise for this inconvenience.

nbn has identified that there are a number of premises within the Fibre to the node (FTTN) footprint that are unable to receive a connection to the nbn network. The nbn network has been designed to ensure everyone has access to fast broadband, however, the distance of some homes and businesses from the network means that additional work is required to connect a premises. As a result, small pockets of premises, including an end user's home or business, are not able to order a service even though the wider area is available.

Each premises is different and requires individual assessment by nbn and it's construction partners. In this instance, your premises may be harder to connect to the nbn network from an engineering perspective, they may be located further from existing network assets or the nbn equipment may require additional work to be fully commissioned.

nbn is committed to providing end users with access to fast broadband.

nbn regrets the delay in having these premises connected.

When your address becomes Service Available on the nbn™ network, nbn will contact you via mail correspondence.

Register with us via the rollout map and we'll be in touch when you're able to connect to the nbn™ network.

If you require further information, please reply to this email directly or call us on 1800 OUR NBN (1800 687 626), quoting the above reference number and a consultant will be happy to assist you."

 

[jb747]

That's pretty much exactly the b/s that I got after my failed connection. Curiously though, in the end they connected me, and I got as fast as you could possibly expect given the distance from the node, without doing any additional work at all. I still don't think they knew where I lived!

 

[Quickstatus]

I still don't think they knew where I lived!

Does your street address match the Google maps teardrop pin over your house?

 

[bad]

Whatever they want!

Unlike AU - whatever we can manage.

Hi Bad what do you use the 200/24 Mbps for?

sirry for replying late. Jessica Tam is right, it's not like you get a choice ... That's the offer take it or leave it. At the time my other option was a 3G modem connection with a wireless provider.

Along with this previous offer with KD ( Kabel Deuchtland and also the one I took ) was a slew of FTA tv channels mostly German speaking with a few English news channels.

 

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sirry for replying late. Jessica Tam is right, it's not like you get a choice ... That's the offer take it or leave it. At the time my other option was a 3G modem connection with a wireless provider.

Along with this previous offer with KD ( Kabel Deuchtland and also the one I took ) was a slew of FTA tv channels mostly German speaking with a few English news channels.

Thats the thing, what can most consumers do with 200 Mbps that you cant do with 25-50?. (I understand that eventually some built in overhead for the future is prudent).

My friend in Jindy who is still getting 95/37Mbps at peak time only uses it for watching non4K netflix sometimes plus internet surfing plus some spotify. I estimate that he really only needs 10Mbps. He will downgrade to 12/1 at end of the month

 

[jb747]

Thats the thing, what can most consumers do with 200 Mbps that you cant do with 25-50?. (I understand that eventually some built in overhead for the future is prudent).

My friend in Jindy who is still getting 95/37Mbps at peak time only uses it for watching non4K netflix sometimes plus internet surfing plus some spotify. I estimate that he really only needs 10Mbps. He will downgrade to 12/1 at end of the month

Get him to send me the other 83mps...

 

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Get him to send me the other 83mps...

Not even a Ubiquiti Nanostation can point to point that far.

I have told him he should discuss sharing/ cost splitting NBN with his neighbour whose house is a Stayz holiday accomodation. He could wifi/nanostation NBN to his place for a small fee.

 

[marki]

On going saga with Telstra seems to be ironing out overtime. The modem issue has been fixed and the Frontier modem is now free, I returned three modems to the Telstra shop. Also the speed boost ( free) has also been requisitioned but not yet implemented( waiting). The free foxtel TV has arrived.
I cancelled the Telstra protect thing. (Less 10 dollars)
The connection stability does go down by about 5-6 MBPS in peak time however streaming HD unaffected as yet. These are all positive signs with Telstra deals 24 months! Hope it continues......

 

[serfty]

Another example of when any thing outside vanilla gets out in the "too hard" basket until there is intervention by media or other publicity:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...k/news-story/12f7c060cab1b99e7fb058ed6b5f4be0

Dr Chris Mills said he had been caught in a drawn-out broadband network “blame game” and missed installation appointments.

He had been trying to get connected at his Doncaster home since April, and was only recently advised a collapsed pit at the property that may contain asbestos was causing hold-ups.

“It’s been a nightmare. The handballing between NBN and internet service providers is terrible with each saying the other is at fault,” Dr Mills said. ...

 

[whatmeworry]

Pit at the front of my house was cleaned out 3-4 years ago and well then Malcolm...

 

[Quickstatus]

Does NBN only deploy buried/underground fibre?

 

[amaroo]

Called Telstra about my peak hour speeds. I'm on their super fast package and getting around 76mb for 90% of the day .... it dropped to 15mb in peak. Anyway they have tweaked something and I'm now getting >35mb peak speed and one of their agents just called saying they will be making additional adjustments to ensure I get a min of 50mb at all times. Upload is a constant 32mb all day long. FWIW, I'm FTTN

 

[whatmeworry]

Does NBN only deploy buried/underground fibre?

I believe there is some. Maybe Tasmania.

I think their maybe a few issues with fibre strung on poles. Cables are very thick and unsightly. Poles not strong enough. Fees to pole owners. Cables less protected overhead compared to underground.

 

[moa999]

About the same thickness as HFC that got put on poles everywhere in the 90s.

Albeit fibre is a bit harder to fix if it gets downed in a storm - and having bought the T network, the NBN owns the pits, something the pay TV operators didn't in the 90s

 

[jb747]

the NBN owns the pits, something the pay TV operators didn't in the 90s

A big part of the problem is that Telstra has known it was going to be able to offload the pits to NBN ever since the original form of NBN was announced. So, they've done virtually no maintenance on their infrastructure since then, and have managed to hand NBN a massive can of worms.

 

[whatmeworry]

The member for Wentworth still has this website up... From about 4-5 years ago.

Our goal is for every household and business to have access to broadband with a download data rate of between 25 and 100 megabits per second by late 2016. To read the Coalition's NBN policy click here. To read the background documents to the policy click here.

Key prices for a Coalition NBN will be capped nationally, ensuring Australians in metropolitan and regional areas alike can obtain services at fair prices.
By contrast, under Labor's NBN wholesale charges per user will triple by 2021.
To put further downward pressure on prices, the Coalition will unshackle the competitive telecom market that Labor tried to stamp out, and reduce the cost of the NBN to prudent levels.
We will resolve the greatest failure of current broadband policies: the up to two million households and businesses across Australia that cannot get basic fixed broadband after more than five years of Labor government.

I am still waiting Malcolm.

https://www.malcolmturnbull.com.au/media/better-broadband

 

[Quickstatus]

"Downward pressure on prices". One of the iconic political spinspeak of the century

 

[Quickstatus]

Queenslander pays AU$200k for NBN fibre | ZDNet

I wonder what the FTTP length from exchange to his place is.