NBN Discussion

[paxman]

Any views on fixed wireless out there? I have sky mesh coming for a fitting/look in next week.

 

[Quickstatus]

What would you like to know about FW?

 

[paxman]

What would you like to know about FW?

Peoples lived experience, is it any good, likes and dislikes.

 

[Quickstatus]

Peoples lived experience, is it any good, likes and dislikes.

NBN FW much to not like about it.

Installation is very prescriptive and success is very dependant on the installer.
Speeds are usually good initially until your tower is congested. When that happens its very bad
If your signal is worse than -99dbm they WILL flick you over to Satellite. DO NOT ACCEPT A POOR SIGNAL, DO NOT SIGN TO SAY YOU AGREE. ASK FOR ANOTHER MEASUREMENT FROM ANOTHER TECH. DO NOT SIGN IF YOUR SIGNAL IS BAD.

The contention on the FW towers is very often worse than FTTN
NBN construction documents suggest that each tower can have up to 330 end user connections. Your tower may actually microwave backhaul to several others towers before the signal hits a tower with fibre backhaul. Up to 8 towers may actually microwave backhaul to the fibre tower. No amount of CVC provisioning can fix this. Many NBN FW customers have found that when the tower of fully subscribed the speeds can be less than 1Mbps.

Whirlpool NBN Fixed Wireless discussion is a good source of what you are after.:
Fixed Wireless Discussion (NBN) - Part 6 - “NBN†- Whirlpool Forums

You can search for your tower here:
ACMA Site Location Map
To use this site - search for your address then find nearby NBNCo towers which may be just NBNCo or colocated with other towers. Select the elevation profile in the popup of the NBNCo tower and it will give you the line of sight back to your place. Make sure you select your property with this icon or type in the address first
Hopefully your line of sight is not blocked by hills.

If you look upthread in this thread you will see a couple of the elevation profiles for my place.

Click on the NBNCo tower then click on the assignments you will see this,

the backhaul links may be 10,11,18,19 Ghz. A bandwidth of 27.5 Mhz (emission 27M5) is approximately 150Mbps. So this means all the NBN endusers may be backhauling to another tower at 150Mbps. So much for fast broadband.

 

[paxman]

Thanks for all that! It is rural and yes I am around the corner from the nearest mobile tower. Interestingly my neighbour could not have fixed wireless as they are too close to pine trees and the pine needles create a negative charge that disturbs the signal, so we will have to wait and see, but we might end up with satellite like them anyway.

 

[Quickstatus]

It's not so much the trees but water in the trees.

Here is another:
https://birrraus.com/nbn-fixed-wireless/

Lots of issues and NBN only wants to do a one standard install fits all.

 

[paxman]

The very tip of a pine needle is perfect for splitting electrons off of atoms. Negative ion machine use an artificial pine needle (or pin) to achieve the same thing. Crashing waves and waterfalls do the same job.

 

[Quickstatus]

Huh?.
to strip negative ions (electrons) off atoms you need a strong electric field applied to a conductor.
You can raise the voltage or reduce surface area - hence a needle.

Pine needles are not conductors nor can radio waves generate the necessary high electric field.

All attenuation models I have read don't include "negative ions".

Water will be the enemy for the Ghz frequencies used. Water in foliage, fog. Not so much rain though. Also don't forget the Fresnel Zone

But irrespective of what attenuation model we want to use, the NBN tech will say "-99 dbm = satellite". And if good he will put up the antenna not necessarily in the best signal spot - some don't go searching for the best signal. And once it's up you can't touch it to tweak the signal.

 

[whatmeworry]

Whats the test for?

To test the existing phone line to my home.

Slated to get FTTC.

 

[whatmeworry]

More people looking into upgrading from FTTN, wireless, satellite, HFC etc to FTTP.

NBN Co has seen a more than tenfold increase in the number of people applying to upgrade their access technology as its fibre-to-the-node (FTTN) rollout hits scale.
The network builder has revealed it has fielded 2752 applications for “individual premises switches” under its technology choice program as at June 30.
This is more than ten times the 221 applications it reported as having received by March 23 this year.

https://www.itnews.com.au/news/nbn-co-sees-huge-rise-in-users-wanting-out-of-fttn-472113

This node's power source is a generator.

https://twitter.com/Jbyway/status/897770308152643584

 

[drron]

Decision time this week.I know I cant do much about NBN co but does the choice of ISP make a difference.Looking through comparisons and on Whirlpool Aussie Broadband gets good reviews.Anyone have an experience with them.
We are going to ditch our home phone.

 

[whatmeworry]

Decision time this week.I know I cant do much about NBN co but does the choice of ISP make a difference.Looking through comparisons and on Whirlpool Aussie Broadband gets good reviews.Anyone have an experience with them.
We are going to ditch our home phone.

Probably these 3 at the moment.

Nuskope
Aussie BB
Skymesh

 

[jb747]

I’m with Aussie. No issues with them, even when we were having issues with NBN Co. Call centres in Oz, so you don’t need to do the Manila shuffle to get anything done. Respond to any email queries quickly, and not with form letters. They are the only ISP who are making any CVC data available. We cancelled the home phone too. Recommended.

 

[Quickstatus]

I’m with Aussie. No issues with them,...,They are the only ISP who are making any CVC data available.

Whats their provisioned CVC?

 

[jb747]

Whats their provisioned CVC?

From what I understand, it’s more dynamic than any fixed amount. I’ve never had cause to try to find out, as my connection has been rock solid since it went in (allowing for those times when I muck with it). Interesting blog post here: https://www.aussiebroadband.com.au/blog/aussie-broadbands-poi-building-experience/

 

[drron]

So have just signed on with ABB.Should be better than 2.98/0.30 speed at the moment.

 

[drron]

And already have our activation date.
now crossing fingers,toes and other assorted parts.

 

[Quickstatus]

So have just signed on with ABB.Should be better than 2.98/0.30 speed at the moment.

Whats your technology?

 

[drron]

We are FTTN.
Now all the kiddies are home our speeds are 0.56/0.29

 

[Quickstatus]

We are FTTN.
Now all the kiddies are home our speeds are 0.56/0.29

what speeds would you be happy with