NBN Discussion

[straitman]

I would hate it when your house has a lesser technology than just up the road.

Absolutely. Our house and those at directly opposite the Billabong are the old ones at approx 10 years old. Those behind us and to the north are newer estates at about 4-5 years old.

 

[RB]

What was your technology when it was showing?

From memory was FTTN-is a free standing house. Seems houses in the newer sections of the subdivision are getting FTTP. This house is approx 2yrs old. Think I will just stick with ADSL2 as we are building & hope to move in 6 months or so (not sure how long the or so will be!)
Where we are building is showing FTTP whereas slighly older houses are showing FTTN!

 

[Quickstatus]

Some forums are speculating that NBN technology is adding to or subtracting from property prices. Much like proximity to schools add to prices.

 

[straitman]

Some forums are speculating that NBN technology is adding to or subtracting from property prices. Much like proximity to schools add to prices.

That would of course depend upon the importance to the individual. Personally I would see it as important but not a show stopper. If I was selling and had a really good high speed connection I certainly would highlight it.

 

[Quickstatus]

That would of course depend upon the importance to the individual. Personally I would see it as important but not a show stopper. If I was selling and had a really good high speed connection I certainly would highlight it.

Yes and majority of FTTP connected premises are on the lowest speed 12/1. In fact the majority of NBN end customers spend less than $100 for internet or at least dont want to spend more than they used to via ADSL

 

[bad]

I live in Berlin and travel to Australia a lot for work. I find that this NBN stuff fascinating. We have cable here and I currently pay 44 Euro a month for 200MB down and 24 Mb Up. THis is changing soon to 400MB Down when I next recontract. Unlimited downloads and two phone VOIPS, thrown in. Part of the payment is a Modem of 5 Euro a month. Never new CVC existed or what Contention was.

 

[Quickstatus]

I live in Berlin and travel to Australia a lot for work. I find that this NBN stuff fascinating. We have cable here and I currently pay 44 Euro a month for 200MB down and 24 Mb Up. THis is changing soon to 400MB Down when I next recontract. Unlimited downloads and two phone VOIPS, thrown in. Part of the payment is a Modem of 5 Euro a month. Never new CVC existed or what Contention was.

Hi Bad what do you use the 200/24 Mbps for?

 

[Bilton]

Never new CVC existed or what Contention was.

Such are the natural advantages of living in a smallish, relatively densely-populated western European nation!

As far as the impact of NBN MTM technology on house prices..... quite simply, the purchase of a domestic dwelling is such a multi-factorial decision that it would come down to an all else being equal proposition (which hardly ever naturally occurs) before the Internet connection technology becomes the deciding factor for the vast majority of buyers.

 

[PLANT]

Become good friends with a fttp house near by...... Stick an antenna on roof and WiFi their fttp to your place..... End up faster and cheaper nbn?

 

[DeKa]

Become good friends with a fttp house near by...... Stick an antenna on roof and WiFi their fttp to your place..... End up faster and cheaper nbn?

That's what I'd be doing plant.
FTTP has four ports. Sign up in a new connection on one of those in your new friend's house and buy two Ubiquiti Nanostations (essentially a wireless Ethernet bridge).
Router in the remote house connects to the Nano and provides Internet and wifi in the remote house.

 

[Quickstatus]

That's what I'd be doing plant.
FTTP has four ports. Sign up in a new connection on one of those in your new friend's house and buy two Ubiquiti Nanostations (essentially a wireless Ethernet bridge).
Router in the remote house connects to the Nano and provides Internet and wifi in the remote house.

It can even be a different provider to the one currently connected. Faster sure and won't affect the speed of neighbour's NBN as it' s fibre. Just a small setup cost ubiquiti nanostation. Uses a bit of power so if you are very neighbourly you can even set up a battery/solar solution so no cost to neighbour.


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Also just in: ACCC acting on "up to" speeds. But not not binding on ISPs

https://www.itnews.com.au/news/accc-tells-isps-to-ditch-maximum-speed-claims-471326

 

[Hvr]

The truth is finally being told regarding NBN speeds.


Competition watchdog finally bites down on 'terrible' advertising for NBN

However, chief executive of reseller Inabox, Damian Kay, warned that hundreds of retailers had no way of knowing their customers' speeds.

"Anything that we told the customer we would be pulling out of our cough," he told Fairfax Media.

 

[PLANT]

What's the best nanostation recommended? Link to place to purchase cheap?

 

[Quickstatus]

The truth is finally being told regarding NBN speeds.


Competition watchdog finally bites down on 'terrible' advertising for NBN

the telcos can actually tell by pinging the customers modem what their max speed is.
the min speed is simply the CVC provisioned.

 

[Quickstatus]

What's the best nanostation recommended? Link to place to purchase cheap?

with Ubiquiti I would go to an authorised reseller who can give advice . Like ubwh.com.au

Nanostations differ in their carrier frequency : 2.4, 3.6, 5 Ghz.
Suggest the frequency for Point to point is different to the wifi frequency
Also check if there are other neighbouring wifi sources near you and also RF towers near you with similar frequencies

Generally 5Ghz for Point to point which is line of sight and no obstruction and 2.4 for Wifi (better going through walls)

 

[JessicaTam]

Hi Bad what do you use the 200/24 Mbps for?

Whatever they want!

Unlike AU - whatever we can manage.

 

[RAM]

The truth is finally being told regarding NBN speeds.


Competition watchdog finally bites down on 'terrible' advertising for NBN

Absolute disgrace that the ACCC only gets into the act once the Govt is implicated (aka political pressure to make someone else look bad).

Since the first telco offerings post-dial up - EVERY provider has only quoted max speed - not expected nor minimum speed.

I had a 5 year fight with Optus over the 'median' speed I received on cable being 1/8th the advertised speed. ACCC did not want to know.

 

[moa999]

I live in Berlin and travel to Australia a lot for work. I find that this NBN stuff fascinating. We have cable here and I currently pay 44 Euro a month for 200MB down and 24 Mb Up. THis is changing soon to 400MB Down when I next recontract. Unlimited downloads and two phone VOIPS, thrown in. Part of the payment is a Modem of 5 Euro a month. Never new CVC existed or what Contention was.

Every network has contention somewhere.
IF your entire block decided to hit the same server somewhere, you would not get 200Mb down.

It's just not normally as apparent as it is in the NBN,
which is due to fairly outrageous pricing by the NBN (albeit a function of needing to recover Australian construction costs) and frankly providers not charging enough to enable them to buy sufficient bandwidth.


And many on the NBN don't see any congestion.
But if you are on the wrong POI with the wrong RSP (generally those offering cheap unlimited plans (cough MyRepublic and Optus)) then you will likely see it more than others.

 

[jb747]

It's just not normally as apparent as it is in the NBN,
which is due to fairly outrageous pricing by the NBN (albeit a function of needing to recover Australian construction costs) and frankly providers not charging enough to enable them to buy sufficient bandwidth.

But that's a Catch 22. NBN want the high charges to recoup the money, but the charges are so high that the ISPs won't buy (so they don't recoup the money anyway), plus the end user experience is bad, so few will consider paying more as they don't expect to get what they pay for.

 

[Quickstatus]

The NBN "brand" never attained any cachet. There is no trust or loyalty and a chasm of disconnect - a very bad way to run a "business"
They (govt past and present) could never understand that telecommunications is very price inelastic
Most people won't pay more than $70-80. And while doing the usual pollie trick - promise first class but deliver budget.