NBN Discussion

[Buzzard]

@Pushka our NBN went live in June.
For years we put up with cough ADSL because of the distance to the exchange. Telstra wouldn't even connect us to broadband, we went with Adam Internet. Now with Aussie for NBN and couldn't be happier.

 

[Quickstatus]

@Pushka our NBN went live in June.
For years we put up with cough ADSL because of the distance to the exchange. Telstra wouldn't even connect us to broadband, we went with Adam Internet. Now with Aussie for NBN and couldn't be happier.

Are you on FTTN?

 

[moa999]

We apparently have FTTC. I’ve been told I’ll need two boxes (connection box and modem) now.

Correct. NBN connection box is a VDSL modem and reverse power unit. Then you need a router (adds a layer of protection and does the VoIP).
Only FTTN/FTTB can use one device (that isn't NBN supplied - one of the reasons they are cheaper to rollout, though have other deficiencies)

FTTP before MTM (Malcolm Turnbull Mess) was supposed to leave the copper in place so it could continue as a voice line.

Not the case. Hence why the FTTP units have Uni-V ports (although generally unused thanks to NBN pricing). Copper is only being retained for FW and Sat (same as under MTM)

don’t need to pay an first activation fee (except for HFC customers who don’t have an existing HFC lead in

Should be free under HFC if you have an existing POTS connection.

For alarms this unit should work for most systems - basically a mobile phone with battery that provides an outlet like an analogue line. Pair it with a cheap annual SIM (eg. Aldi (Telstra network) $15 PAYG)

Radio Parts - Electronics & Components - NESS 106-249 BYO 3G SIM GSM DIALLER NESS

 

[Pushka]

Correct. NBN connection box is a VDSL modem and reverse power unit. Then you need a router (adds a layer of protection and does the VoIP).
Only FTTN/FTTB can use one device (that isn't NBN supplied - one of the reasons they are cheaper to rollout, though have other deficiencies).......

So if a provider only suggests the modem and which can be deleted if we already have an nbn one, I should be wary as they don’t know the set up?

Any ideas how large? I don’t have much space there. I assume the modem has to be physically connected to the NBN box?

 

[moa999]

So if a provider only suggests the modem and which can be deleted if we already have an nbn one,

While you only need a router, many of the RSPs are issuing a single device (a VDSL modem router with VOIP) to minimise the number of devices they need to support.

In FTTC configuration the NBN connection box acts as the modem and connects to the WAN port on the RSP device (acting as router and VOIP only)

For Telstra, Optus and TPG you need to use their device if you want to use their VOIP as they won't provide VOIP login details

 

[Pushka]

While you only need a router, many of the RSPs are issuing a single device (a VDSL modem router with VOIP) to minimise the number of devices they need to support.

In FTTC configuration the NBN connection box acts as the modem and connects to the WAN port on the RSP device (acting as router and VOIP only)

For Telstra, Optus and TPG you need to use their device if you want to use their VOIP as they won't provide VOIP login details

Thanks. We don’t use the landline and it’s only used to get the one test call a week from the alarm monitoring company. So voip not needed apart from that. Size?

 

[marki]

Hi Australia is behind way behind the rest of the world and Europe. Poland advertising speeds in excess of 1000 GBS so that's just a nominal speed on order. In Oz fast is somewhere close to 80-90MBS.
It is delivered to the premises via a glass cable of course. (Fiber)

 

[Quickstatus]

Fibre is can also be acrylic.

The Polish speeds are just marketing speeds no one will be able to achieve those speeds. I don’t know of any ping server that has interface speeds of 1000gbps. . Much like cars being sold with speedos of 240kmh but no one will ever be that fast unless on the autobahn.

However what it does mean is the bottleneck is not the fibre. It’s in the computers at either end or the submarine cables linking landmasses. Some Aus-USA submarine cables are 6000gbps. So what they also don’t advertise is the contention ratio of the fibre service.

 

[marki]

Fibre is can also be acrylic.

The Polish speeds are just marketing speeds no one will be able to achieve those speeds. I don’t know of any ping server that has interface speeds of 1000gbps. . Much like cars being sold with speedos of 240kmh but no one will ever be that fast unless on the autobahn.

However what it does mean is the bottleneck is not the fibre. It’s in the computers at either end or the submarine cables linking landmasses. Some Aus-USA submarine cables are 6000gbps. So what they also don’t advertise is the contention ratio of the fibre service.

But they are close to advertised speeds and contention issues are not that much of a problem like they are in OZ. I read somewhere that one can ask for the contention issue to be addressed. Your line is your the one fiber all the way to the hub. As the speeds are not affected by traffic locally but by the server being able to cope. Within Poland I think they manage. However 240 kmh speeds on a Lambo mean yes you can reach those speeds under certain conditions. Interesting that the sub sea cables are so fast.

The cost is about 69 Zloty or 25 dollars per Month. WOW!!! Even with contention will take it.

 

[Buzzard]

Yes, FTTN

 

[marki]

Does free to air still exist? They drove me off it years ago.

yes the higher altitude the better reception generally. You can get a tuner for your iPad and watch anywhere. As long as you have reasonable line of sight !

 

[Pushka]

I have now avoided NBN completely. I’ve gone 4g modem with Optus. Currently speeds from 30-50 Mbps. Have given TPG the flick for their now pathetic ADSL2 - the poor performance they are blaming on NBN. NBN have denied any responsibility stating that the turn off isn’t until Feb 2020.

 

[Quickstatus]

Co-existence of ADSL with FTTN should not give carp ADSL. Lame excuse.

 

[Legoman]

Co-existence of ADSL with FTTN should not give carp ADSL. Lame excuse.

In fact ADSL2+ speeds should be increasing as more and more people are offloaded onto NBN and the load on the system is lightened. Exactly the same thing happened when ADSL took over from dial-up. When all your neighbours moved onto ADSL2+ back in the day, you could actually get a workable/useable 56K/V.90 connection again when no-one else was using dial-up anymore.

At least that's what would be happening if there wasn't external artifical forces deliberately crippling the remaining ADSL customer connection speeds to force them onto NBN in frustration. They would argue that if they don't deliberately cripple the remaining ADSL customers, then they would never have a reason to want ot move because for them being the last 1% using 100% of the ADSL technology capacity all to themselves, the speed & reliability would be so good, they'd see no reason to get NBN at all.

 

[Pushka]

Co-existence of ADSL with FTTN should not give carp ADSL. Lame excuse.

Totally agree and I’ve told them that. I lodged a TIO complaint last week and updated with this info today.

In fact ADSL2+ speeds should be increasing as more and more people are offloaded onto NBN and the load on the system is lightened. Exactly the same thing happened when ADSL took over from dial-up. When all your neighbours moved onto ADSL2+ back in the day, you could actually get a workable/useable 56K/V.90 connection again when no-one else was using dial-up anymore.

At least that's what would be happening if there wasn't external artifical forces deliberately crippling the remaining ADSL customer connection speeds to force them onto NBN in frustration. They would argue that if they don't deliberately cripple the remaining ADSL customers, then they would never have a reason to want ot move because for them being the last 1% using 100% of the ADSL technology capacity all to themselves, the speed & reliability would be so good, they'd see no reason to get NBN at all.

Exactly Exactly Exactly and that’s what I’ve suggested to TIO based on the facts. NBN stated in writing yesterday that activation of NBN had nothing to do with poor performance of TPG and ADSL2.

This was part of TPG’s response to me that they’ve also sent to the TIO

“I coordinated with our Engineering Team to look into your concern. I was advised that NBN has already rolled out on your area which means that the disconnection of the copper lines has already started. As you are using copper lines for your ADSL 2+ connection, it has affected the current level of service that is being delivered to you. “

NBN have denied any responsibility for it.

 

[Quickstatus]

Ive just been pushed back to july 2020.

 

[Buzzard]

Ive just been pushed back to july 2020.

It will probably be obsolete by then

 

[jb01]

Ive just been pushed back to july 2020.

Ouch. One of my clients, NBN is connected in the building next door, but they are waiting until 2020. It’s literally 1 wall away!

 

[Pushka]

Ouch. One of my clients, NBN is connected in the building next door, but they are waiting until 2020. It’s literally 1 wall away!

I’m really pleased with our Non NBN set up using Optus modern service. Costs less than any NBN plan, and completely portable. I just don’t need massive amounts of download data and currently 200 gb a month serves three phones and all our data needs. Fast.

 

[rogerkambah]

I’m really pleased with our Non NBN set up using Optus modern service. Costs less than any NBN plan, and completely portable. I just don’t need massive amounts of download data and currently 200 gb a month serves three phones and all our data needs. Fast.

Sounds like what I might go for when my Optus ADSL plan finishes in 12 months time (or even before).
What sort of cost is involved for this pls?