NBN Discussion

[moa999]

There are still continuing fights going on about the NBN pricing model.
But the whole original Rudd model was based on a continuous increase in ARPU (Avg revenue per user) which was always going to run into problems.

But yes. Your correct that any reduction in the wholesale price impacts the value of NBN, which will ultimately impact the taxpayer.

With Musk's StarLink rolling out, hopefully they can ultimately strike a deal and shutdown the satellites in time.

 

[Carrots]

Ditto. I’m on 50mb HFC and we’re just off a TPG complimentary 6 mth boost to SuperFast (200-250mb). We routinely got 250+ mb over the existing TPG supplied modem/router wifi (5GHz channel). They’re offering me $84.99 p/m to continue on a 200mb plan - which looks like pretty cheap by comparison. But I’m actually happy with the existing 50mb plan service - we generally get 50+ mb during peak hours and I can’t say I noticed the higher bandwidth (other than the Speedtest wow factor).

Interesting to know what their offer was under the TPG banner.

We're with Internode (so same group, different sticker) and have just come off of the 6mth "trial" (sucker punch?) also.

Our offer was $89.99/mth for the the continued speeds. Current 50 plan is $79.99 after the initial 6mths at $59.99 (I think).

Does give me the poos how they always manage to have a great offer initially.....and then whack.

The other thing that irritates me is the upload speeds on the higher speed plans... don't keep it so darn low!

Rant over.

 

[Quickstatus]

The other thing that irritates me is the upload speeds on the higher speed plans... don't keep it so darn low!

They are not necessarily saying you can’t get it. They are saying higher uploads will incur a premium. Just pay more?. Why should those who don’t want the uploads have to pay as much as those who want the upload.

 

[Daver6]

They are not necessarily saying you can’t get it. They are saying higher uploads will incur a premium. Just pay more?. Why should those who don’t want the uploads have to pay as much as those who want the upload.

One of my frustrations with uploads is I'm on a 100/40 plan and paying that upload premium. But if I want to increase my bandwidth, the only other option is a 250/25 plan where I have to take a hit to upload bandwidth. Not that it's even available to me, 1000/50 plan is such a small increase in upload bandwidth. I feel there should be better options available.

 

[DeKa]

The reason for the slow upload speeds is that HFC can barely handle 50Mbit upload so NBN hold back everyone as they only have one “product” for all underlying technologies.
I don’t agree with it, and hopefully it changes.

 

[SYD]

One of my frustrations with uploads is I'm on a 100/40 plan and paying that upload premium. But if I want to increase my bandwidth, the only other option is a 250/25 plan where I have to take a hit to upload bandwidth. Not that it's even available to me, 1000/50 plan is such a small increase in upload bandwidth. I feel there should be better options available.

Looking back at some Speedtest history, my TPG NBN200 trial didn’t get much past 20 up even when I was getting 250 down. Back to NBN50/20 and I still get a solid 18+ upload. So, as you say, not worth the extra if upload BW is what you need.

Do you have good 5G yet (with or without vax )? My iPhone 12 has managed 630+/130+ on Optus out and about, but my home doesn’t have reliable cover yet.

 

[Quickstatus]

One of my frustrations with uploads is I'm on a 100/40 plan and paying that upload premium. But if I want to increase my bandwidth, the only other option is a 250/25 plan where I have to take a hit to upload bandwidth….. I feel there should be better options available.

Yes there is. If you have fibre you can get 250/100. Though about double the price of 100/40

There is an argument that if fibre was only option instead of the MTM then the taps should be fully open for everyone at the cheapest price that allows NBN to hit its ARPU and IRR because everyone has access to the same speeds.

Suggest rather than focusing on internet speed focus on actual real world performance.

I have a rental property. FTTP. 4 university students. About 1 Tb consumption per month. I originally started at 100/40 then 100/20 and now 50/20. Without looking at actual speed no one could tell the difference in actual internet experience.

I’m doing the same at my place FTTC.
Originally 100/40, then 100/20 now 50/20 for 2 weeks. 5 occupants 3 uni students no complaints thus far.

 

[Daver6]

The reason for the slow upload speeds is that HFC can barely handle 50Mbit upload so NBN hold back everyone as they only have one “product” for all underlying technologies.
I don’t agree with it, and hopefully it changes.

DOCSIS 3.0 goes up to 100Mbps and DOCSIS 3.1 is north of 1Gbps. So it's not the technology restricting it. I'm pretty sure DOCSIS 3.1 is fully enabled now on the NBN's HFC network.

 

[Quickstatus]

Starlink is expanding the number of Earth Stations in AU

 

[Simo]

The reason for the slow upload speeds is that HFC can barely handle 50Mbit upload so NBN hold back everyone as they only have one “product” for all underlying technologies.
I don’t agree with it, and hopefully it changes.

Also up load speed is not a big deal for most people download is where people want the speed... It saves carriers $$$ by offering slower speeds...

 

[SYD]

Also up load speed is not a big deal for most people download is where people want the speed... It saves carriers $$$ by offering slower speeds...

One of the issues is NBN (and ISPs) don‘t want businesses buying cheaper residential broadband - so they cap upload to what ought to be plenty for the average home.

It will be interesting see how quick that changes as 5G becomes more widespread and directly competing with NBN Business *and* Residential plans.

 

[Quickstatus]

issues is NBN (and ISPs) don‘t want businesses buying cheaper residential broadband

Really?. Why the assumption that businesses need higher internet performance than residential.
About 50% of people are employed by small business. It is not a given that business invariably need higher downloads or uploads than residential.

Our small business employs 8 people. We only need 50/20 HFC. My smash repair guy only runs 25/5 FTTC.

I would agree that business would be the ones most likely to need high uploads but that is not the same as saying NBn don’t want business to buy cheaper plans. There is no limitation for our small business to buy cheaper plans

 

[SYD]

Really?. Why the assumption that businesses need higher internet performance than residential.
About 50% of people are employed by small business. It is not a given that business invariably need higher downloads or uploads than residential.

Our small business employs 8 people. We only need 50/20 HFC.

Something I read and now I can’t find the article again! (One of the ISP complaining about the NBN plans). Anyway, yes you’re probably fine. I certainly have no issues with my 50/20 plan!

Ultimately it all comes down to how many bits are flying back and forth. Concurrent users, Video conf, cloud and certainly moving large data files where speed is important - are all factors.

 

[jb747]

Starlink is expanding the number of Earth Stations in AU

It will be interesting to see if Starlink kills off the NBN wireless and satellite.

 

[Quickstatus]

Concurrent users, Video conf, cloud and certainly moving large data files where speed is important - are all factors.

Some businesses need it most don’t
…….

Starlink kills off the NBN wireless and satellite.

The only advantage that SM and FW has is a free antenna on installation and every time it dies and local presence

 

[Brissy1]

I'm moving into my new home in Sydney soon, the new home has existing nbn of course (1 box). The cable comes in from the street to the box on the outside wall and then 2 cables come out.
One to the ground floor where the nbn box is and another to the 1st floor...was this for 2 different nbn accounts do you think? I don't want to pay for 2 accounts (it's just a home not home/business) but very much doubt I'd get wifi upstairs (where obviously I'd like it too) from the downstairs nbn/optus outlet.

Anyone know if I can use the the 2nd cable for internet upstairs? From the 1 account?

 

[33kft]

Anyone know if I can use the the 2nd cable for internet upstairs? From the 1 account?

I think I misread this initially - you only want to use one of the ports for one account, but you want to choose which port to use? That is potentially doable.

If you were asking if you could use both ports for one service, my previous answer was that there's no valid NBN configuration that would allow that.

 

[DeKa]

Anyone know if I can use the the 2nd cable for internet upstairs? From the 1 account?

What technology?
FTTC/HFC/FTTN/FTTP?

I am guessing HFC based on the description.
You can only have one active account per “NTD” but you could ask for a second NTD.
Alternatively run Ethernet cable or set up a mesh wifi and share the one connection

 

[SYD]

I'm moving into my new home in Sydney soon, the new home has existing nbn of course (1 box). The cable comes in from the street to the box on the outside wall and then 2 cables come out.
One to the ground floor where the nbn box is and another to the 1st floor...was this for 2 different nbn accounts do you think? I don't want to pay for 2 accounts (it's just a home not home/business) but very much doubt I'd get wifi upstairs (where obviously I'd like it too) from the downstairs nbn/optus outlet.

Anyone know if I can use the the 2nd cable for internet upstairs? From the 1 account?

Have you checked with NBN (or an ISP) what service is available? It could HFC and the other cable is just that - cable TV (Foxtel).

 

[SYD]

Alternatively run Ethernet cable or set up a mesh wifi and share the one connection

A pair of Powerline Ethernet adapters (preferable with a wifi adapter at the far end) is a cheaper DIY option than running cable or a mesh (although they would be far superior for bandwidth).