NBN Discussion

[Lynda2475]

guess what, the cost to the new resident is a big fat $0

Nope, the owner can be charged a new install fee and a replacement modem fee. Many landlords have found out the hard way that lousy ex-tenants who steal the modems cost them $.

 

[Quickstatus]

Nope, the owner can be charged a new install fee and a replacemnt modem fee.

Must be a different NBN….sister never had that problem when she purchased the place she eventually KDRB.

 

[prozac]

After reading through this thread and having advice from members I am getting ABB connected.
I am not opting to purchase the router offered for $149 (Netcomm NF18MESH) as I would like the latest WIFI 6 technology b/c the new home is quite large and double brick throughout. I note Netcomm make a WIFI 6 router, NF20MESH. Does anyone have this router and can relate your experience? Any idea where it can be purchased?

 

[Brissy1]

Nope, the owner can be charged a new install fee and a replacement modem fee. Many landlords have found out the hard way that lousy ex-tenants who steal the modems cost them $.

List the modem as an inclusion on the lease, take any costs out of the bond

 

[Quickstatus]

I note Netcomm make a WIFI 6 router, NF20MESH

I use Netgear Orbi wifi 6 routers and satellites.
I have a Master and 2 satellites

 

[Daver6]

I use Netgear Orbi wifi 6 routers and satellites.
I have a Master and 2 satellites

Seems a bit odd that the backhaul link speed is half that of the endpoint to AP speed.

 

[Quickstatus]

backhaul link speed

My satellites are connected via Ethernet - which is full duplex. Wireless backhaul is always going to be variable.

NBN---Orbi router---Switch---Satellite1 and Satellite 2

(Star topology)

 

[Daver6]

My satellites are connected via Ethernet - which is full duplex. Wireless backhaul is always going to be variable.

NBN---Orbi router---Switch---Satellite1 and Satellite 2

(Star topology)

I guess I meant as a product design, it seems pretty silly. If you have a high and low bandwidth channel, it would make more sense to use the high one for backhaul.

 

[SYD]

My satellites are connected via Ethernet - which is full duplex. Wireless backhaul is always going to be variable.

NBN---Orbi router---Switch---Satellite1 and Satellite 2

(Star topology)

Why did you fork out for a Mesh system if you’re using Ethernet backbone (which I would love to have at home)?

 

[Quickstatus]

Why did you fork out for a Mesh system if you’re using Ethernet backhaul

How many of your internet capable devices have an Ethernet port?

 

[SYD]

How many of your internet capable devices have an Ethernet port?

Not many, but my Powerline connection is the bandwidth limiter to my 2nd wifi access point. It’s not really an issue for NBN50 but as mentioned a while back, it did reveal the limitation during my NBN250 gratis trial.

A hardwired Ethernet backbone would overcome that along with a pretty standard 2nd (and 3rd) wifi router and not require more expensive Mesh systems.

 

[Quickstatus]

standard 2nd (and 3rd) wifi router

Maybe I’m not understanding you.

The problem with more than 1 wifi router is that an internet device will lock on to a router and it’s unique SSID even if there is a stronger wifi signal. Basically 1 wifi router = 1 SSID.

A mesh eliminates that. And Ethernet backhaul means the mesh access points placement is less critical, and less wifi speed degradation. Wifi cannot broadcast 2 streams at a time - no backhaul means broadcasting to device plus broadcasting back to router.

 

[Daver6]

Maybe I’m not understanding you.

The problem with more than 1 wifi router is that an internet device will lock on to a router and it’s unique SSID even if there is a stronger wifi signal. Basically 1 wifi router = 1 SSID.

A mesh eliminates that. And Ethernet backhaul means the mesh access points placement is less critical, and less wifi speed degradation. Wifi cannot broadcast 2 streams at a time - no backhaul means broadcasting to device plus broadcasting back to router.

If both wifi networks have the same SSID most endpoints will swap to the one with the stronger signal.

Wifi can broadcast multiple streams if it's MIMU capable.

 

[Quickstatus]

If both wifi networks have the same SSID most endpoints will swap to the one with the stronger signal.

Not necessarily.
The device will connect to the one with the stronger signal, but it does not necessarily mean it will easily roam between the 2 networks - once connected, devices tend to stay with that network until it loses a connection. Such a setup is the reason why mesh is better overall.

Wifi can broadcast multiple streams if it's MIMU capable.

Yes - Triband Wifi AP have a dedicated wifi band for backhaul - again distance from router affects speed. Hence Ethernet backhaul

 

[SYD]

Not necessarily.
The device will connect to the one with the stronger signal, but it does not necessarily mean it will easily roam between the 2 networks - once connected, devices tend to stay with that network until it loses a connection. Such a setup is the reason why mesh is better overall.


Yes - Triband Wifi AP have a dedicated wifi band for backhaul - again distance from router affects speed. Hence Ethernet backhaul

I’m using the same SSIDs on my APs. Fixed devices are wired were possible and roaming devices are set up to autoconnect to the 5Ghz channels (and not the 2.4Ghz ones). That seems to work fine most of the time.

Agree that Mesh is superior.

 

[Quickstatus]

roaming devices are set up to autoconnect to the 5Ghz channels

Sure, but how do you know that the devices are actually roaming?

 

[SYD]

Sure, but how do you know that the devices are actually roaming?

Signal strength. I tested both AP reception across the house one at a time. Quite noticeable weaker signal strength from ground floor to top floor (3 storey terrace).

Occasionally one of my Apple TVs locks onto the further AP. I’d wire it to a spare powerline adaptor but it’s a trade off on effective bandwidth over air v further degradation over powerline.

 

[NM]

Why did you fork out for a Mesh system if you’re using Ethernet backbone (which I would love to have at home)?

I have mesh-capable access points in my home, but all are connected via physical ethernet cabling. The reason is that I wanted the clustering capability that ensures a single management point for the environment, rather than have multiple stand-alone and separately managed APs. This means the connection can be "handed-off" between APs as a device moves through the home, ensuring good signal strength everywhere and seamless hand-over of the connections between locations in the home.

Using cabled Cat-6a back to a PoE switch also means I don't need to provide power to the APs that are ceiling mounted. And my PoE switch is also on my UPS, along with my router and NAS, so even during a power outage my WiFi and internet access is still available throughout the house for about 45 mins.

Most mesh systems will use one radio for the back-haul and another for the local device connections. This can limit capacity and increase latency. Some have a third radio for the mesh link allowing dual radio/band for local connections, but that is not always the case.

 

[Daver6]

Not necessarily.
The device will connect to the one with the stronger signal, but it does not necessarily mean it will easily roam between the 2 networks - once connected, devices tend to stay with that network until it loses a connection. Such a setup is the reason why mesh is better overall.

That's not been my experience over multiple environment.

Yes - Triband Wifi AP have a dedicated wifi band for backhaul - again distance from router affects speed. Hence Ethernet backhaul

Agree. But that's nothing to do with MIMO which is one one band.

 

[VPS]

All these technical people on here might be able to answer my question. I rang Aussie BB recently because my broadband was becoming painfully slow. They said yep we'll set up another one for you and it has worked fine ever since. Problem is the old one was 2.4GHz and the new one is 5 and my printer isn't capable of connecting to the 5 so I have to disconnect from one wifi, reconnect to the old one, print and then reverse.

Is there an alternative to having to do that?