NBN Discussion

[mono88]

I know this is going to stir thing up, but can we afford not to do it? We have to overcome the tyranny of distance somehow.

If you don't ask for it you may never receive it.

BTW, is Turnbull a politician or a journalist?; either way both professions are the lowest of the low.

 

[james4321]

I know this is going to stir thing up, but can we afford not to do it? We have to overcome the tyranny of distance somehow.

I agree Jessica but sadly the Tony lovers just want to bury their heads in the sand, and act like Scrooge McDuck clones. They are doing the same thing about climate change and marriage equality. Its a classic case of I'm all right Jack and I dont give a stuff what sort of world my grandchildren are going to have to cope with or how they will simply shake their heads in wonder at why Grandads generation were so damn selfish and uncaring. But thats the "Tony Way"

 

[JessicaTam]

If you don't ask for it you may never receive it.

BTW, is Turnbull a politician or a journalist?; either way both professions are the lowest of the low.

Don't forget used car salespeople. (Apologies to used car salespeople for connecting them with politicians).

 

[RooFlyer]

More NBN progress.

Here in Tas, they are starting to close down the copper wires in a number of areas 'cause its 18 months after NBN became available in those areas. Trouble is, as we know, the NBN rollout is hopelessly behind schedule.

People with NBN orders in - for MONTHS - haven't yet been connected, and they are now getting their ADSL cut off because the copper is being de-commissioned!! Told they have to go to the GSM mobile internet in the meantime (and, cough, pay through the nose of course). Can you imagine running a business that way?

Grannies, who have no interest in internet, and just want a bloody phone to the outside world. Guess what? Too bad, granny, we've cut off your phone. Get a mobile or get the NBN (in a few months). Stiff cheddar.

Remind me again who the geniuses were who designed this caper?

 

[Hvr]

So which private companies have failed to deliver on their promise to install fibre etc?

This is a huge problem that the government contracts private companies to do tasks and they fail to fulfil their obligations. What is needed is to name and shame them so they never get government work again and are exposed as the shams they are.

There are obviously two parts to the contract here, 1) private company installs fibre by a certain date, 2) Telstra withdraws copper wire by a certain date. In both cases there would be penalties if they don't comply.

Telstra is fulfilling their contract and needs to move the workers on to other areas where there is also urgent work so they cannot be delayed.

As for the 'Grannies' as you refer to them, we'll they've coped with bigger changes in their life and they'll cope with this. After all it wasn't that long ago they went to digital television with no apparent problems.

I do appreciate that the cost of mobile phones shouldn't be borne by them, again the private company that has failed to fulfil their legal obligations should be made to pay.

 

[RooFlyer]

Don't wish to start a big debate here - but one company escaped your analysis.

Called NBN Co. They have quite a bit to do with it, I think! Name and shame them by all means. And also the twerps who set up the shemozzle - coughConroyandthatmobcough - sure, never a 'government' job again!

If Telstra needs its workers so urgently elsewhere, surely the most efficient solution is to leave the bloody copper wires alone, let people continue to use them until NBN is actually present, and get their workers to the other, urgent work even sooner?

 

[drron]

I agree Jessica but sadly the Tony lovers just want to bury their heads in the sand, and act like Scrooge McDuck clones. They are doing the same thing about climate change and marriage equality. Its a classic case of I'm all right Jack and I dont give a stuff what sort of world my grandchildren are going to have to cope with or how they will simply shake their heads in wonder at why Grandads generation were so damn selfish and uncaring. But thats the "Tony Way"

This is not about Tony lovers but a financial question.at what level of loss do you think the NBN should not proceed?
Just as people on this board have very different views on flying to the general population there are very different views on the NBN.To the average person it really is not an important subject.

 

[markis10]

So which private companies have failed to deliver on their promise to install fibre etc?

This is a huge problem that the government contracts private companies to do tasks and they fail to fulfil their obligations. What is needed is to name and shame them so they never get government work again and are exposed as the shams they are.

Syntheo for a start from next year, having left the NT in March this year. And then you have the subbies undoing work because they have not been paid for it.

 

[whatmeworry]

And not to mention less profitable then the original version.

 

[cove]

NBN contractors are about 500 metres from our home so they are doing areas not listed previously.

 

[whatmeworry]

What We Australians will miss out on without the NBN.

[video=youtube;KgudKBZ-4HI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgudKBZ-4HI[/video]

 

[serfty]

NBN - Strategic Review - December 2013

2.1 Summary of findings
Key findings on the performance to date and Revised Outlook

• From a forensic perspective, the Independent Assessment found that no material issues exist within the accounts of NBN Co;
• The Independent Assessment concluded that, although the Corporate Plan is based on detailed and quantitative analysis, it is “extremely optimistic” and very unlikely to be achieved;
• At 30 September 2013, the rollout of the brownfields FTTP network was 48 percent behind the planned Premises Passed in the Corporate Plan, with only 227,483 Premises Passed at that date. Of these premises only 153,977 are Serviceable by NBN Co. The greenfields and Fixed Wireless rollouts are also behind Corporate Plan;
• Total Expenditure to 30 June 2013 was 26 percent under the Corporate Plan at that date. Whilst this is an under-spend relative to the Corporate Plan, it is significantly ahead of the expenditure which would have been required in the Corporate Plan to reach the levels of actual rollout achieved; and
• The Independent Assessment found that NBN Co has attracted a committed, motivated, and generally capable group of people who want to do important, meaningful work. It concluded that the culture and leadership of the organisation are widely seen to be a major problem, and that the organisation is currently carrying a level of overhead and headcount predicated on the achievement of the Corporate Plan, which is in excess of current requirements.

The Independent Assessment found a revised and more realistic view of the project would indicate:

• The fibre rollout project will take three years longer to complete than indicated in the Corporate Plan, with a revised end date of June 2024;
• The Revised Outlook for brownfields Premises Passed at June 2014 is 357,000 compared to 1,129,000 in the Corporate Plan;
• Delays in deployment and take-up, lower ARPU and higher levels of non-subscription result in ~$13-14 billion less Revenue to FY21;
• The Capital Expenditure required will increase from $37.4 billion to $55.9 billion;
• The peak funding requirement will be $72.6 billion peaking in FY24 which is $28.5 billion higher than the Corporate Plan ($44.1 billion); and
• The Independent Assessment concluded that it is highly unlikely, in the absence of a government guarantee, that debt funding will be available from a third party financier in the near to mid-term.

 

[get me outta here]

I was surprised to hear on the news that The Independent Assessment was carried out by a friend of the Minister with whom he owned a yacht.

 

[serfty]

I was surprised to hear on the news that The Independent Assessment was carried out by a friend of the Minister with whom he owned a yacht.

The review was by NBN Co itself and Boston Consulting and the insolvency specialist KordaMentha.

 

[Hvr]

So the government is saying goodbye to old style industries such as car making (and rightly so) but doesn't believe we really need the infrastructure such as NBN for future industries.

One hopes they tell us what industries will be the money makers of the future and develop the requisite infrastructure.

 

[james4321]

So the government is saying goodbye to old style industries such as car making (and rightly so) but doesn't believe we really need the infrastructure such as NBN for future industries.

One hopes they tell us what industries will be the money makers of the future and develop the requisite infrastructure.

The ones that Rupert and Gina own ???

 

[wmetz]

You worry to much. We can keep living on the sheep's back. This is 1950's isn't it. The golden years. Men are men , and women cooking in the kitchen.

And in my day, you just needed an empty can and a piece of string to send an email. I think that how it use to work.

 

[get me outta here]

The review was by NBN Co itself and Boston Consulting and the insolvency specialist KordaMentha.

I don't know which of those companies MT's mate works for, but I did see Malcolm say when asked about the joint yacht ownership something along the lines of 'it's not so much a yacht as more a danger to shipping', or some such.

 

[DC3]

Yes, and the Queen Mary may be a danger to shipping under certain circumstances.

 

[whatmeworry]

Turns out Labour's NBN was going to be cheaper and rolled out faster then previously thought.
NBN fibre rollout was going to be cheaper, sooner, pilot results show