NBN Discussion

[eastwest101]

Turns out Labour's NBN was going to be cheaper and rolled out faster then previously thought.
NBN fibre rollout was going to be cheaper, sooner, pilot results show

LOL - Mike Quigley (one of the most discredited members of the original NBN board) launches retrospective defence of Failed NBN of which he played an integral part. I can't believe you would offer up such desperate self-serving nonsense. Ask the former workers of Alactel and Lucent what they think of Quigley's management skills, and yes - he's the man if you have a business plan done on a drinks coaster and no cost benefit analysis.

 

[whatmeworry]

LOL - Mike Quigley (one of the most discredited members of the original NBN board) launches retrospective defence of Failed NBN of which he played an integral part. I can't believe you would offer up such desperate self-serving nonsense. Ask the former workers of Alactel and Lucent what they think of Quigley's management skills, and yes - he's the man if you have a business plan done on a drinks coaster and no cost benefit analysis.

I guess you haven't actually read the article.

A slow NBN only benefits foxtel.

 

[Oneworldplus2]

Not like the ALP to fudge the figures....

The change comes as part of NBN Co's year-long "clean up job" to reduce the number of premises counted in the weekly tally as being "passed" by the fibre network, but unable to order a service.Clean up job stops NBN rollout stats showing the full picture | ZDNet

Simon Hackett - Rebooting the NBN.
Rebooting the NBN: (Personal) Reflections on the journey thus far | Simon Hackett

 

[drsmithy]

One hopes they tell us what industries will be the money makers of the future and develop the requisite infrastructure.

Haven't you been paying attention the last decade ? Swapping houses with each other using money borrowed from foreigners, coffee shops, and the FIRE industry

 

[drsmithy]

Turns out Labour's NBN was going to be cheaper and rolled out faster then previously thought.
NBN fibre rollout was going to be cheaper, sooner, pilot results show

Perhaps more importantly, it wouldn't require a complete rip-and-replace in a decade or two to upgrade it to a proper fibre network.

But no-one ever accused the Coalition of thinking about the future, so that shouldn't really be surprising.

 

[whatmeworry]

Perhaps more importantly, it wouldn't require a complete rip-and-replace in a decade or two to upgrade it to a proper fibre network.

But no-one ever accused the Coalition of thinking about the future, so that shouldn't really be surprising.

No they only care about their master Rupert Murdoch's future profits.

 

[whatmeworry]

Sent an article about the NBN to a mate who is currently living in Norway. He picked out a few quotes. He thought it was quite funny.

Vertigan panel predicts that in 2023, an average Australian household will require a broadband download speed of 15 megabits per second (Mbps)

Kazakhstan currently enjoys higher average download speeds than Communications Chambers thinks Australia will need in 2023.

Serious flaws in Turnbull's NBN cost-benefit analysis report

 

[whatmeworry]

Just found out my area will get FTTP next and not the shoddy FTTN.
Malcolm will be changing the name of NBN.

“With all the changes we have made to what was obviously a badly thought out and poorly researched system we have decided that to continue to keep calling it the NBN would be disingenuous,” said Mr Turnbull. “So in that vein we have changed the name from the National Broadband Network to the Future Utilisation of Broadband Accelerated Resources.”

NBN name to be changed to FUBAR. | The Larrikin

 

[whatmeworry]

Now I don't even know when I will get NBN and whether it will be FTTN or FTTP. Australian Financial Review blames the LNP shift in policy.

The Coalition Government, after just three months in office and based on one hastily conducted review, embarked on a radical policy shift. The government underestimated the cost, complexity and timeframe involved in radical policy shift from the full fibre model to MTM.

Nearly two years into his term, Malcolm Turnbull needs to be held accountable for the rushed process by which he has imposed extensive complexity and risk to the NBN project.

Coalition policy shift creates NBN Co mess | afr.com

 

[serfty]

Now I don't even know when I will get NBN and whether it will be FTTN or FTTP. Australian Financial Review blames the LNP shift in policy.

...Hmmm ... irrespective of anything else I would hardly consider the author of that article impartial:

David Havyatt is executive director of DigEcon Research. He is a former policy adviser to federal Labor and is an active member of the ALP.

 

[puppysparkes]

I live in South Brisbane and have FTTH. I have never been able to achieve the 'theoretical' 100mbps download advertised by the isp. Generally average anywhere from 5-25mbps. I'm not an IT expert but I consider it very slow given the network is totally fiber optic. The closest speed test was 48 and 72mbps. Is anyone else experiencing the same?

I should add that the tests were done over wifi and not hard wired.

 

[DeKa]

I live in South Brisbane and have FTTH. I have never been able to achieve the 'theoretical' 100mbps download advertised by the isp. Generally average anywhere from 5-25mbps. I'm not an IT expert but I consider it very slow given the network is totally fiber optic. The closest speed test was 48 and 72mbps. Is anyone else experiencing the same?

I should add that the tests were done over wifi and not hard wired.

Depending on the wifi equipment in your router and devices, that would be about the top end. With a brand new "AC" router and "AC" equipped laptop I can achieve over 100Mbit on wifi. With my old equipment the only way to get over 100Mbit was with Ethernet cables.

Do be aware that it's not just about the peak speed on one device. If you have 100/40 NBN, it means you can run a few Netflix streams, upload files to Dropbox, run a video conference for work and more without running out of bandwidth for any of your devices which individually can only achieve 48-72Mbit speeds. To me, this is the biggest difference that NBN or even Telstra/Optus cable provide, as with ADSL, Netflix plus anything else tends to lead to slow downs.

 

[puppysparkes]

Thanks for the feedback and the reminder about bandwith. Currently I'm running the Netcomm N600 dual band router which is adequate for now. NB16WV-02 - N600 Dual Band WiFi Gigabit Modem Router with Voice : NetComm Wireless

Thanks again.

Depending on the wifi equipment in your router and devices, that would be about the top end. With a brand new "AC" router and "AC" equipped laptop I can achieve over 100Mbit on wifi. With my old equipment the only way to get over 100Mbit was with Ethernet cables.

Do be aware that it's not just about the peak speed on one device. If you have 100/40 NBN, it means you can run a few Netflix streams, upload files to Dropbox, run a video conference for work and more without running out of bandwidth for any of your devices which individually can only achieve 48-72Mbit speeds. To me, this is the biggest difference that NBN or even Telstra/Optus cable provide, as with ADSL, Netflix plus anything else tends to lead to slow downs.

 

[whatmeworry]

Another piece on why the LNP MTM (FTTN) will be an utter expensive failure.

If a mere 21% of all premises connected to a node starts streaming a 4K stream on Netflix (21% of 384 at 25 Mbps), the node will exceed its capacity. This will leave zero bandwidth for the remaining 75% of customers potentially connected to the node.

[h=3]FTTP upgrade path, uncertain[/h] nbn™ has also indicated that they will only deploy 12 fibres up to an NBN node, making it difficult to upgrade an NBN FTTN or FTTB node area to fibre without significant downtime or extensive civil works.

Without causing massive disruption to all customers connected to the current node, it may not be possible to transition to FTTP on high-capacity nodes other than by rolling out the network from scratch again.
This means that even if nbn™ decides to upgrade the network, they will likely continue using copper-based technologies for the years ahead to avoid large capital costs again.

Poor NBN FTTN/B design may lead to decades of congestion - jxeenoâ„¢ blog.

 

[moa999]

I would think that contention ratio and CIR of 5mbs is far better than what most current ADSL providers use.

It also assumes every node is at full capacity (unlikely) and all those connected use data (again unlikely).

Finally, relatively simple in the future to use the two spare fibres to upgrade capacity, or put on 10Gps transmitters.

if you look at all the moaning from people on 100/40 unlimited plans on whingepool, what you can get on FTTP is not much better

 

[eastwest101]

Another piece on why the LNP MTM (FTTN) will be an utter expensive failure.


Poor NBN FTTN/B design may lead to decades of congestion - jxeenoâ„¢ blog.

Its nice that Sen Conroy is now best mates with Kenneth Tsang, previously when he was the Federal Communications Minister Conroy wanted Tsang's blog and programs shut down as Tsangs information that the FTTP rollout rate was all going pear shaped conflicted with the "official" rollout info that Conroy's NBN was trying to spuik. i.e. that the FTTN was going great and wasn't late or had cost blow-outs.

Now that Conroy is in opposition - he is thundering on about no cost benefit analysis being done for the NBN FTTN and he is using Tsang's site, data and programs to suit his own political fiction.

 

[wmetz]

Re: MTM Discussion

Just because Australia is building a network that is going to be about 50 times slower then the rest of the world gigabytes and not have enough bandwidth to meet even current needs, does not mean we are stupid or does it......

If u really think this project is now a see what they can do overseas in the jungle in quick time

Bali Fibre Optic Broadband - Broadband

 

[Deleted member]

Re: MTM Discussion

Just because Australia is building a network that is going to be about 50 times slower then the rest of the world gigabytes and not have enough bandwidth to meet even current needs, does not mean we are stupid or does it......

If u really think this project is now a see what they can do overseas in the jungle in quick time

Bali Fibre Optic Broadband - Broadband

Gee ! I wonder who paid for that? ðŸ

 

[Deleted member]

Re: MTM Discussion

Just because Australia is building a network that is going to be about 50 times slower then the rest of the world gigabytes and not have enough bandwidth to meet even current needs, does not mean we are stupid or does it......

If u really think this project is now a see what they can do overseas in the jungle in quick time

Bali Fibre Optic Broadband - Broadband

Gee ! I wonder who paid for that? ðŸ

 

[whatmeworry]

Re: MTM Discussion

It hasn't been mentioned but those who will be getting HFC/FTTN and only require a phone, will now require battery back up. It would not be a problem if you were fibre directly. Plus their will be extra costs with for the consumer with FTTN/HFC.

This means that consumers who don’t wish to access the Internet, yet retain a fixed-line phone connection, could potentially face up to $200 more up-front — or $8.30 per month on a 24 month contract.

Elderly customers or customers with security or medical alarms may need to purchase an additional UPS to ensure their connection remains during a power outage, bearing further costs onto customers who only want a phone service.

Phone-only consumers to pay more in FTTN and HFC - jxeenoâ„¢ blog.