NBN Discussion

[hummel]

With FTTN you can definitely cancel your land line. With some very limited exceptions FTTN works like a naked ADSL service. In any event your line only goes back to the node, so you can no longer access the analogue service that is provided by the exchange.

(note there is a very small chance that you could have what is known as a pass-thru service, but hardly any RSPs offer it and I expect it needs to be specially ordered)

Thanks mate appreciate it. That was my original understanding that it works much like a naked DSL service.

 

[whatmeworry]

NBN now abandoning the Optus cable it paid 800 million dollars in favour of fibre to the driveway.

But on Wednesday NBN announced it would abandon the Optus HFC rollout entirely and instead deploy a new technology, fibre-to-the-distribution-point (FTTdp), to up to 700,000 premises.

'A lemon': NBN backflips, abandons plan to use Optus cables it purchased for $800 million

 

[Buzzard]

2 families I know recently got NBN and are now getting 25mbps download speed.
I want NBN and I want it now!

 

[whatmeworry]

2 families I know recently got NBN and are now getting 25mbps download speed.
I want NBN and I want it now!

Is your address on the list? My was last year, but was dropped...


Outside-Rollout | nbn - Australia's new broadband network

 

[PLANT]

Yeah but what's the upload speed and cost for their 25mbps

 

[clazman]

NBN is bypassing my council and still nothing showing for when it will happen... yah ADSl -1 speeds ....

 

[cove]

We now have NBN in 3 apartments and not too much trouble getting the phones back working after a couple of hours.

 

[ComeFlyWithMe]

One of my apartments went live for NBN FTTB. Interestingly, the coverage checker still says that there is no construction planned. I think their systems leave a lot to be desired. After speaking to a retailer, it seems you have to enter the address in a certain format for it to show up. I thought we had moved on from address validation issues but seemingly not.

 

[whatmeworry]

Meanwhile in the parallel universe that Malcolm Turnbull lives in, he has claimed the NBN reboot a great success. Must be getting tips off CEO's or Dictators in giving speeches.

Australian Prime Minister and former Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull has said in House of Representatives Question Time that the switch of the NBN from a fibre-to-the-premises (FttP) rollout to its fibre-to-the-node (FttN)-dominated multi-technology mix (MTM), as well as the changes made to the company upon the election of the Coalition government in 2013, will go down as one of the greatest corporate turnarounds in Australian history.
"The turnaround of the NBN is one of the great achievements of the Coalition government," Turnbull said on Tuesday.

Turnbull claims NBN reboot as great Coalition achievement | ZDNet

 

[Jeffrey O'Neill]

Meanwhile in the parallel universe that Malcolm Turnbull lives in, he has claimed the NBN reboot a great success. Must be getting tips off CEO's or Dictators in giving speeches.

Turnbull claims NBN reboot as great Coalition achievement | ZDNet

He got it wrong with satellites, got it wrong with Optus HFC, prob partially wrong with Telstra HFC though I'm not sure how soon we'll know the true remediation costs for it, and only out by around 90% on the copper remediation costs for FTTN.

Prob the only thing better with the LibNuts policy was FTTB. labor forcing it to be fully fibre was the wrong policy. They should have dumped the node in the basement and then left it to the body corp to decide if they wanted to go VDSL or Fibre. I think if they'd followed that path there would have been hundreds of thousands of extra customers, and they would have limited TPGs ability to corner a lucrative market.

 

[Hvr]

With the end of 2016 fast approaching, the federal government has just 19 days to get fast broadband to seven million premises to fulfil a three-year-old promise made by Mr Turnbull.

Pity a good idea was stuffed up.

 

[Jeffrey O'Neill]

Pity a good idea was stuffed up.

anyone who believed that election "promise" deserves the broadband they have.

 

[moa999]

My recollection of the 'premier's was 2019, although checking Google I can see references to both 2016 and 2019.

No doubt the rollout has sped up markedly, but possibly same thing would have happened with FTTP.

In any event all forms of NBN seem to be suffering from peak hour congestion problems which comes back to the overall need for the NBN to recover its costs (barely) and a resulting high AVC/CVC charges which causes RSPs to use high contention ratios which delivers slowdowns over Netflix hours.

 

[Lawrage]

2 families I know recently got NBN and are now getting 25mbps download speed.
I want NBN and I want it now!

Work for a large ISP and can say that depending on your CVC you may / may not "want it now". Its naturally all based on where you live and which CVC you will be connected to.

I am on ADSL 2 (no NBN planned for me for the next 9+ years at current forecast) and get better speed at night than at least 5 people I know who are on NBN.

 

[whatmeworry]

Friend in Norway is getting 80 down and 80 up with unlimited downloads/uploads. He is going to upgrade to 150/150 for another $16.

 

[Jeffrey O'Neill]

Friend in Norway is getting 80 down and 80 up with unlimited downloads/uploads. He is going to upgrade to 150/150 for another $16.

Saw in Chiang Mai thailand last trip they were offering 250/50 for 1200 bht a month. No mention of data limit so assumed it was unlimited.

 

[Quickstatus]

Don't know why people are still quoting "line speeds". "I want to get X Mbps."

What NBN and every other ISP does not tell you how many other people are sharing the same line. This is the "contention ratio". Try asking your ISP what the contention ratio is in your street and they will run faster than Usain.

Upthread I mentioned my children's school some years go decided to upgrade the schools Internet privately.

Its 100 up and down UNCONTENDED microwave technology (which is a techno way of saying long range wifi - the wifi in your house and your mobile is in the microwave band - shock horror my brain will be fried). Uncontended means no one shares that Internet line all the way to the Telstra backbone.
Cost $3500 per month- this is the real cost of an Internet line at 100 Mbps up and down with unlimited bandwidth.
The only way to get prices down to $50-$70 per month is to share with many other people. This brings down the "actual" speed. But the "line" speed is still quoted. Sometimes sharing with 50 or more other people.

Most people want fast internet only to stream Netflix 4K and high bandwidth Spotify. Great way to spend public money on "infrastructure" - by providing these foreign companies an easy way to make money and pay no taxes to contribute.

 

[moa999]

Correct Quickstatus...
The CVC charge alone from the NBN for that was $1750/mth but has dropped to $900-1200..

The average provided bandwidth across all plans is 0.9MBps down (I think average plan would be about 20 down).

Now this isn't a problem when people's usage is more off than on (as it would be under most non-unlimited plans).

The problem occurs over streaming hours when a decent number of users are all pulling 5-10MBps continuously, and there simply isn't the bandwidth available

 

[Jeffrey O'Neill]

Correct Quickstatus...
The CVC charge alone from the NBN for that was $1750/mth but has dropped to $900-1200..

The average provided bandwidth across all plans is 0.9MBps down (I think average plan would be about 20 down).

Now this isn't a problem when people's usage is more off than on (as it would be under most non-unlimited plans).

The problem occurs over streaming hours when a decent number of users are all pulling 5-10MBps continuously, and there simply isn't the bandwidth available

Actually the base charge for CVC is currently $15.75 per 1mbs generally in 100Mbs blocks

AVC is anywhere fro $24-38 depending on speed profile

I'm hoping now netflix allows downloading of shows that some demand can be shifted to out of hours.

 

[whatmeworry]

Don't know why people are still quoting "line speeds". "I want to get X Mbps."

What NBN and every other ISP does not tell you how many other people are sharing the same line. This is the "contention ratio". Try asking your ISP what the contention ratio is in your street and they will run faster than Usain.

Upthread I mentioned my children's school some years go decided to upgrade the schools Internet privately.

Its 100 up and down UNCONTENDED microwave technology (which is a techno way of saying long range wifi - the wifi in your house and your mobile is in the microwave band - shock horror my brain will be fried). Uncontended means no one shares that Internet line all the way to the Telstra backbone.
Cost $3500 per month- this is the real cost of an Internet line at 100 Mbps up and down with unlimited bandwidth.
The only way to get prices down to $50-$70 per month is to share with many other people. This brings down the "actual" speed. But the "line" speed is still quoted. Sometimes sharing with 50 or more other people.

Most people want fast internet only to stream Netflix 4K and high bandwidth Spotify. Great way to spend public money on "infrastructure" - by providing these foreign companies an easy way to make money and pay no taxes to contribute.

Friend has fibre and never has been throttled.

How about we make Rupert Murdoch pay his fair share of tax?