NBN Discussion

[Moindardt]

How about we make the 2/3 of Australia who pay no net tax pay any, or work for that matter. Far more money than old Rupert.

 

[trippin_the_rift]

Got NBN installed last week. Straight to speed test and it's 93 down 34 up. This is 1/2 the speed and double the price for what i get in my hong kong apartment.

Also, i almost always find the wifi is slower than using 4G no matter the wifi speed.

 

[Jeffrey O'Neill]

Got NBN installed last week. Straight to speed test and it's 93 down 34 up. This is 1/2 the speed and double the price for what i get in my hong kong apartment.

Also, i almost always find the wifi is slower than using 4G no matter the wifi speed.

Could you afford to do your current home ADSL / NBN traffic on your 4G?

You can get 100/40 NBn plans for around $80 with 200GB or more depending on the company

 

[samh004]

Got NBN installed last week. Straight to speed test and it's 93 down 34 up. This is 1/2 the speed and double the price for what i get in my hong kong apartment.

Also, i almost always find the wifi is slower than using 4G no matter the wifi speed.

To be fair the population density is 3.16 people per km[sup]2[/sup] in Australia. Ranked 233rd out of 246 countries.

Hong Kong on the other hand has a population density of 6644 per km[sup]2[/sup] and is the 4th most densely populated space.

Europe would be 95th if it made the list.

Therefore, infrastructure is always going to be worse and more costly here. Shame no one wants to increase the population!

 

[Jeffrey O'Neill]

To be fair the population density is 3.16 people per km[SUP]2[/SUP] in Australia. Ranked 233rd out of 246 countries.

Hong Kong on the other hand has a population density of 6644 per km[SUP]2[/SUP] and is the 4th most densely populated space.

Europe would be 95th if it made the list.

Therefore, infrastructure is always going to be worse and more costly here. Shame no one wants to increase the population!

to a degree that's not quite true. in 2014 the urban pop of Sydney was 21.4% of total country population

only 10.7% of the population was rural.

the prob is that the rural areas are damned expensive to provide modern infrastructure to.

 

[samh004]

to a degree that's not quite true. in 2014 the urban pop of Sydney was 21.4% of total country population

only 10.7% of the population was rural.

the prob is that the rural areas are damned expensive to provide modern infrastructure to.

Even if we avoid the rural element, the major cities are still thousand of km apart and simply connecting them together would cost far more than what it does to connect Central, HK and Kowloon

 

[Jeffrey O'Neill]

Even if we avoid the rural element, the major cities are still thousand of km apart and simply connecting them together would cost far more than what it does to connect Central, HK and Kowloon

true, but then you can't really hold up a city state and cost of internet infrastructure against a country as the city state will wine purely from the lack of land mass.

 

[Quickstatus]

If Rupert and the rest of the 1% paid 100% tax it still would not be enough to pay for everything.
I dare say that if everyone paid their fair share it still would not be enough because the oldies will find new ways to expand spending.

Governments should only borrow to fund infrastructure. Welfare should be out of income and not debt

 

[JessicaTam]

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Shame no one wants to increase the population!

Surely you jest , sir.

 

[Quickstatus]

Actually the base charge for CVC is currently $15.75 per 1mbs generally in 100Mbs blocks

AVC is anywhere fro $24-38 depending on speed profile

I'm hoping now netflix allows downloading of shows that some demand can be shifted to out of hours.

For those who want to know about abbreviations such as CVC, AVC, NNI re current NBN model:
CVC remains the single biggest threat to NBN - jxeenoâ„¢ blog.

Its not so much the amount of traffic moving through the network, its the size of the pipe being "hired" from NBN.

Its the usual scenario. Goverment (Kevin747) makes up a hare brained back of the envelope idea. Sells it to populace at election. Says prices will be comparable but internet will be much faster.

Now surprise surprise the prices charged are unsustainable.

Expect to pay more for faster reliable internet and or compromises with Contention increase at the ISP end or Backhaul end.

In any case your line speed will be some super duper number but your actual speeds will be throttled.

NBN necessary if the country is to compete and thrive in the "digital age"?. Really? when the vast majority of people will use it to watch cough and netflix. And in the near future 4k netflix. (Oh I forgot - low latency gaming - computer games and gambling)

 

[Jeffrey O'Neill]

For those who want to know about abbreviations such as CVC, AVC, NNI re current NBN model:
CVC remains the single biggest threat to NBN - jxeenoâ„¢ blog.

* The current Govt has had plenty of time to change the charging model used by NBN - dropping the CVC would increase bandwidth demand and encourage customers to move to higher speeds. Prob short term rev hit, but much longer term rev growth. there would be a large amount of untapped capacity at every POI. It wouldn't surprise me if capacity used could go up 4 times before NBN had to spend money on extra equipment. The faster the internet is, the more people use it. My parents went from barely using the net on ADSL to prob using it 4 to 5 hours a day between them on the NBN.

* Entertainment, in it's myriad of forms, is a huge revenue generator.

* Increasingly online systems will be developed assuming speeds more and more internet connections in Australia wont be up to.

I'm seeing FTTB installs where there's over 600M of cable from the basement to the customer equipment and they can't get a 100/40 plan, even though the customer is willing to pay for it. Same with FTTN. We have customers WILLING TO PAY but the technology used is unable to provide the service they want. Lost AVC rev + lost increase in CVC demand for NBN.

 

[drsmithy]

How about we make the 2/3 of Australia who pay no net tax pay any [...]

Why ?

[...] or work for that matter.

I'm sure the 15-20% of the population who are under- and unemployed would be happy to work, if there were anything for them to do. Easy way to get them paying more tax - get them employed and paid more.

 

[drsmithy]

To be fair the population density is 3.16 people per km[SUP]2[/SUP] in Australia. Ranked 233rd out of 246 countries.

Hong Kong on the other hand has a population density of 6644 per km[SUP]2[/SUP] and is the 4th most densely populated space.

Europe would be 95th if it made the list.

Therefore, infrastructure is always going to be worse and more costly here. Shame no one wants to increase the population!

Australia is one of the most urbanised countries on the planet.


Something like 75% of the population lives in ten cities.


Running backbones between population centres is not the expensive part.

 

[ComeFlyWithMe]

Australia is one of the most urbanised countries on the planet.


Something like 75% of the population lives in ten cities.


Running backbones between population centres is not the expensive part.

Unfortunately your left wing mates decided to build infrastructure to focus on the other 25%, where building the 75% would have generated more than enough revenue to build the last 25% shortly thereafter.

 

[whatmeworry]

Unfortunately your left wing mates decided to build infrastructure to focus on the other 25%, where building the 75% would have generated more than enough revenue to build the last 25% shortly thereafter.

Geez who would have thought the Labour party wanted to help the bush more out then the LNP?

 

[Quickstatus]

One of the most urbanised? Depends on your definition of urban. Australian urban areas are known for its sprawl. So the population density is lower than other urban areas.

 

[Jeffrey O'Neill]

Unfortunately your left wing mates decided to build infrastructure to focus on the other 25%, where building the 75% would have generated more than enough revenue to build the last 25% shortly thereafter.

But then the Liberals spend much of the last 6 years saying upgraded internet access should be left to the private sector.

But now the NBN is acting like Telstra chasing Optus around with HFC 20 years ago by chasing TPG with their FTTB build.

So couldn't NBN focus on the areas the private sector isn't interested in, or is it good to spend tax payer money to place equipment in a building that already the private sector has already upgraded it?

 

[ComeFlyWithMe]

Geez who would have thought the Labour party wanted to help the bush more out then the LNP?

The original NBN rollout map read like a laundry list of marginal electorates, rather than the bush.

 

[ComeFlyWithMe]

But then the Liberals spend much of the last 6 years saying upgraded internet access should be left to the private sector.

But now the NBN is acting like Telstra chasing Optus around with HFC 20 years ago by chasing TPG with their FTTB build.

So couldn't NBN focus on the areas the private sector isn't interested in, or is it good to spend tax payer money to place equipment in a building that already the private sector has already upgraded it?

The NBN should have focussed on ADSL black spots followed by cheap to implement and high yielding MDUs (apartments) to get the revenue rolling in.

NBN weren't chasing TPG, TPG were using a loophole to go gangbusters installing FTTB within their existing fibre footprint, thinking they'd then sell that to NBN at huge profits. NBN decided to overbuild them in many cases.

 

[PLANT]

Look they built the poor areas which I was furious about.... But after the change to fttn and all the problems with NBN "worse speed than ADSL 2+"..... It's been great that they sort it all out before 2040 when the most expensive areas are going to get it!