NBN Discussion

[Quickstatus]

Apparently once everyone you are sharing the FTTN line with goes to NBN then speed will be stabilised at a higher level

Thanks for the info.

I wonder if the dramatic drop at peak times is due to under provision by the ISP or the node reaching its transmission ceiling?

 

[jb747]

Apparently once everyone you are sharing the FTTN line with goes to NBN then speed will be stabilised at a higher level.

Co-existence. This is supposed to end 18 months after the area is declared active, and people who have not yet moved away from ADSL, etc, will have their services cut off. I've not been able to find anything that gives a decent estimate of the increase in speed that will be likely after it ends. Whilst within the period, NBN's minimum is 12 meg/sec, rising to 25 meg/sec after, but I very much doubt that it means there will be a doubling of speeds. It may have most effect on those who are near the end of the cable run.

I wonder if the dramatic drop at peak times is due to under provision by the ISP or the node reaching its transmission ceiling?

Looks like under provisioning to me. Thank the CVC pricing model.

 

[amaroo]

Apparently once everyone you are sharing the FTTN line with goes to NBN then speed will be stabilised at a higher level

Thanks for the info.

I wonder if the dramatic drop at peak times is due to under provision by the ISP or the node reaching its transmission ceiling?

Prior to signing up I had a chat with a another Telstra agent who advised not to sign up for boost package until the 18 month transition had come and gone. Since the package was half price $15/month and non-contractual - bugger it I'll give it a go. Happy I did!

 

[moa999]

Co-existence. This is supposed to end 18 months after the area is declared active, and people who have not yet moved away from ADSL, etc, will have their services cut off. I've not been able to find anything that gives a decent estimate of the increase in speed that will be likely after it ends.

Agree its a bit of an unknown.
This thread on Whirlpool contains some discussion - consensus is it will benefit those on the lowest speeds the most.
https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/2556183

New CVC model also went live on 1 June 2016 - that provides discounted CVC the more each individual RSP provisions - so hopefully that should encourage some.
But staying away from the cheapest unlimited providers is recommended imho.

My buildings FTTB was cutoff a few months ago (NBN fliers and everything) and I didn't notice a change to my max sync (it stayed at 99/43 due to some sub-optimal wiring in the apartment, but given I'm happy on 25/5 no point altering it)

 

[moa999]

Prior to signing up I had a chat with a another Telstra agent who advised not to sign up for boost package until the 18 month transition had come and gone. Since the package was half price $15/month and non-contractual - bugger it I'll give it a go. Happy I did!

Pretty poor advice, unless they know exact line lengths.
In most areas over 50% of people on NBN can get above 50/20, and a decent percentage 100/40.
As its all distance based, the smaller block size the better your chances.

 

[Quickstatus]

So my friend in jindabyne NSW sent me this: (I have changed his address to a random but he is in the 2JNB-A0008 area)
https://www.finder.com.au/nbn-track... Jindabyne NSW 2627, Australia&placeType=Home

You can use this to look up your own address

It seems the town of jindabyne is split into striped purple areas (FTTN) bordered by unbroken purple lines. In each there is a teardrop icon "A". Are these areas served by one node?
Each of these 12 areas have a unique XDA ID (eg 2JND-A0006). The surrounding purple dotted areas are served by 3 NBN FW towers.

His Current ADSL at 1900 hrs apparently 3/0.4

It seems that that 2 of the FW towers are connected to the 3rd via microwave backhaul. The 3rd FW tower has fibre backhaul. The "end" towers therefore might have less capacity to distrubute to users it serves. Not sure which has the fibre backhaul but Jindy friend says its the one with the most dishes/ radiating pods.

Telstra advises him that his average speed will be 19Mbps. Higher if speed boost. Amaroo, what was your average speed advisory before speed boost?

 

[jb747]

Pretty poor advice, unless they know exact line lengths.
In most areas over 50% of people on NBN can get above 50/20, and a decent percentage 100/40.
As its all distance based, the smaller block size the better your chances.

If you have a look at the map reference I posted back at #1651, and click on your house, it will give the distance and the expected speed.

 

[PLANT]

So*rang NBN today and basically they are saying that a "Tenant" will decide the location of HFC port?
Owners will not be notified to discuss locatiion of HFC port inside the place????
NBN said they are using existing infrastructure to connect the NBN......I don't believe the place has Foxtel or tesltra\optus cable and therefore how will HFC be connected....via the aerial socket or telephone socket or neither?

 

[Quickstatus]

Haha just been talking to Telstra live chat about nbn FTTN , "Guaranteed up to". Haha just ridiculous.

 

[moa999]

So*rang NBN today and basically they are saying that a "Tenant" will decide the location of HFC port?
Owners will not be notified to discuss locatiion of HFC port inside the place????
NBN said they are using existing infrastructure to connect the NBN......I don't believe the place has Foxtel or tesltra\optus cable and therefore how will HFC be connected....via the aerial socket or telephone socket or neither?

HFC requires a HFC cable so new cabling will be required.
Generally they will use the existing conduit to pull the cable to the house (or aerial path), then install an external HFC box.

Like FTTP second installer for the internal point and cable modem. Theoretically up to 40m, practically installer likely to do what is easiest for them which means room next door to HFC box, unless there is simple access to a preferred location.

 

[moa999]

Just looking at an NBN planning map (NBN MTM Alpha), and FTTN is already starting to be supplanted....FTTC seems quite widespread through Melbourne.

For those getting FTTN, Optus also now provides an estimate of speed

https://sq.optus.com.au/servicecheck4/SQ.jsp?channel=inbus&OPOM OUTLET ULL=Y

Click the (+) underneath nbn broadband and see if the line needs migration or is already set up, as well as estimated speed

(No idea how accurate it is)

 

[amaroo]

Amaroo, what was your average speed advisory before speed boost?

Don't know. I went straight from ADSL2 > NBN boost.... I only asked about the anticipated boost speed.

 

[ajw373]

So*rang NBN today and basically they are saying that a "Tenant" will decide the location of HFC port?
Owners will not be notified to discuss locatiion of HFC port inside the place????
NBN said they are using existing infrastructure to connect the NBN......I don't believe the place has Foxtel or tesltra\optus cable and therefore how will HFC be connected....via the aerial socket or telephone socket or neither?

HFC is coax terminated on an F type (screw) connector. So if no existing outlet they will run a new one. It has nothing to do with any existing aerial socket or phone socket.

Sounds odd that an owner doesn't have a say in where, that said one would hope the owner would have told the Tennent where to tell the installer to put it.

 

[PLANT]

^That's what I'm trying to get the owner to contact the tenant and property manager to discuss!
I have made calls and been to the property and the townhouse behind has a new brown NBN box waiting to be connected.
Yet I could not see one and was told by NBN "existing infrastructure" for the one I called about.
So if study or lounge room as an option which of better?
Study will be shortest distance but corner of property..... Lounge the middle of property.

 

[Quickstatus]

Amaroo,

You mentioned that you had a NBN compatible modem - did Telstra make you buy their modem/or give you one for free as well as part of the deal?

 

[amaroo]

Amaroo,

You mentioned that you had a NBN compatible modem - did Telstra make you buy their modem/or give you one for free as well as part of the deal?

Back in December my modem along with a few other things got toasted in a lightening storm .... Telstra gave me a replacement modem (NBN compatible) for free. When I signed up for the NBN last month Telstra sent me another modem (free) which is still sitting in the box unopened - along with an unopened Telstra TV device.

All three items were free (included in the bundle price)

 

[jb747]

Amaroo,

You mentioned that you had a NBN compatible modem - did Telstra make you buy their modem/or give you one for free as well as part of the deal?

Telstra won't release the SIP details that you need to make VOIP work. So, you may have a modem that would be capable of the NBN connection and VOIP, but without those details, you won't be able to get the voice to work. Pretty well everyone else happily releases them, and doesn't really care what you use (except that they don't provide support...as you'd expect). Of course, if you don't want VOIP, then it won't matter, and you can actually use almost anything.

So, good old Telstra has found yet another way to restrain trade.

 

[Quickstatus]

Yes Jindy friend mentioned that Telstra said he had to get their VDSL2 modem because no guarantees a third party VDSL modem will work. Same technology coming through the copper, just some settings. Sure Telstra will give one for free only if the contract is 24 month

 

[ajw373]

It's bloody annoying and one reason why I don't have Telstra or any other company that insists on using their modem.

My place I have FTTP feeding into a UniFi switch with 2 wifi access points and anything that can be hard wired (TV, blue ray etc) back to the switch. Plus of course my mynetphone IP phone service that we only have so our parents can call as they don't do mobiles.

 

[moa999]

For support reasons (particularly on FTTN) I'd say it's useful to have your RSPs modem (as they won't support anything else).

But day-day you can run what you want.
(Eg. I have an Asus DSL-AC56U on my FTTB connection - my coughpy Sagemcom sits in a cupboard, and I use third party VOIP with SipTalk)

As mentioned above for Telstra, Optus and TPG if you are wanting to use included VOIP then you need to use their device with an analogue phone plugged into the VOIP port - it is however possible to use this device behind your preferred modem/router (effectively just acting as an ATA (analogue adapter))

But for most people the RSP device will be fine.

One word of warning - the latest Telstra basic model (a Sagemcom 5355), whilst AC wireless compatible only has two 10/100 ports - if you run a home wired network this is unlikely to be suitable, and you'd really want to upgrade to the Gateway Max2