New Qantas route - Perth to Paris from July 2024

[hutch]

Actually we can make an educated guess at it

The 20% extra premium pricing for non-stop flights
The flight loadings
The fare price points for each cabin
The classic reward category
The anecdotal evidence of LHR & Perth lounge volumes

the overall Profit picture plus the ever ballooning RRIA

And if all things remained the same, I would agree with you.

But things won't stay the same, as bigger markets will have direct flights and a portion of passengers using the PER flights are coming from the east coast. This may have impacts on loadings which may impact on your other points.

QF will also need to decide to what markets they will serve London from (and indeed what to use their ULR's). They have four slots - assuming they get their two leased slots back. They also said they would keep a flight to LHR via SIN. That's a lot of extra capacity... Something may have to give.

At the end of day, I'm sure there will be an evolution with project sunrise and it may be healthy to take a "let's see what actually happens" approach, particularly because lots was said under the former ceo and lots can change with the passage of time (particularly in aviation).

 

[muppet]

Is the CDG EK lounge accessible to pax on QF34? Given they both are at terminal 2C?

 

[JohnK]

I always ensure I have downloaded sufficient streaming content for the the flight (and then some) onto my tablet as well as bring a book. Even when the IFE is working there is often nothing (other than the map) worth watching.

So a family of 3 would need 3 tablets and we need to prepare these before flying? Hmmm.

Glad we have zero need for these flights. I don't know what would force me to take one of these flights.

My wife prefers non-stop BNE-BKK but I'd be much happier with something like BNE-DPS-BKK and split flight times. Even BNE-SIN-BKK is acceptable.

 

[Lynda2475]

So a family of 3 would need 3 tablets and we need to prepare these before flying? Hmmm.

Or bring a book or puzzle book or listen to an mp3 player.

Anyone travelling long haul these days is likely to be travelling with a mobile, tablet or laptop or all 3. anyway, so why not download some free content from your streaming platform of choice.

You can choose to rely on IFE, but if you don't bring alternative/back-up items to keep you entertained if/when the IFE fails, then you only have yourself to blame.

 

[ChrisMars]

So a family of 3 would need 3 tablets and we need to prepare these before flying? Hmmm.

Glad we have zero need for these flights. I don't know what would force me to take one of these flights.

Or bring a book or puzzle book or listen to an mp3 player.

Anyone travelling long haul these days is likely to be travelling with a mobile, tablet or laptop or all 3. anyway, so why not download some free content from your streaming platform of choice.

You can choose to rely on IFE, but if you don't bring alternative/back-up items to keep you entertained if/when the IFE fails, then you only have yourself to blame.

In the context of Y or maybe Y+ it may be usefull to bring with a tablet one of those audio splitter, one device, one movie, two headphones. I have done that in the past.

 

[JohnK]

Or bring a book or puzzle book or listen to an mp3 player.

Anyone travelling long haul these days is likely to be travelling with a mobile, tablet or laptop or all 3. anyway, so why not download some free content from your streaming platform of choice.

You can choose to rely on IFE, but if you don't bring alternative/back-up items to keep you entertained if/when the IFE fails, then you only have yourself to blame.

MP3 player? Paid streaming platform?

If an airline charges a premium for airfares then they need to provide IFE otherwise charge the same as the airlines that don't provide IFE.

P.S. There's no way I'd be doing 17 hours in economy on any route. I'm not in rush to be anywhere quickly.

 

[Lynda2475]

MP3 player? Paid streaming platform?

If you already have these it's no extra cost.

Smart phones have MP3 app, so if you really cheap you can rip songs from ccds you own on laptop then load onto phone, no expensive Spotify subscription required.

If an airline charges a premium for airfares then they need to provide IFE otherwise charge the same as the airlines that don't provide IFE.

What other airlines flight direct PER-CDG without IFE for less?

QF do provide IFE on long haul flights but it can and does fail (also on other airlines) so bringing alternatives is wise. Points compensation is also usually offered if it fails.

P.S. There's no way I'd be doing 17 hours in economy on any route. I'm not in rush to be anywhere quickly.

Then not an issue for you. I've done LHR-PER direct in whY and survived.

Noting I always bring my own entertainment no matter what class or what length of flight. It means I'd never find my self with nothing to watch/read/listen to.

 

[PeterA]

Is the CDG EK lounge accessible to pax on QF34? Given they both are at terminal 2C?

Yes, I wouldn’t mind knowing that as well as my wife and I fly out of there this coming Saturday.

Also, I plan to buy duty free spirits it CDG as its much cheaper than Perth and Sydney Arrivals. Just checking that you can take the duty free all the way to Sydney without and issues in Perth?

Also, fwiw, we had a great trip over, albeit in J, but the Perth lounge is a bit average.

 

[JohnK]

Noting I always bring my own entertainment no matter what class or what length of flight. It means I'd never find my self with nothing to watch/read/listen to.

Noting you are 1 and we are 3, so we need 3 tablets and I need to download each person's favourites on my own time. (We hardly watch any TV and have no need to pay for streaming services)

I've done SYD-LAX sector or reverse 3 times at around 14 hours. I could not possibly imagine adding another 3-4 hours to fly direct. Flying direct unless offering a significant discount has nothing else to offer. The 2-3 hours saved flying indirect is totally insignificant.

To each their own. Hope Qantas does not totally abandon stopovers in favour of these silly ultra long haul flights.

 

[CaptJCool]

Noting you are 1 and we are 3, so we need 3 tablets and I need to download each person's favourites on my own time. (We hardly watch any TV and have no need to pay for streaming services)

I've done SYD-LAX sector or reverse 3 times at around 14 hours. I could not possibly imagine adding another 3-4 hours to fly direct. Flying direct unless offering a significant discount has nothing else to offer. The 2-3 hours saved flying indirect is totally insignificant.

To each their own. Hope Qantas does not totally abandon stopovers in favour of these silly ultra long haul flights.

There will be no significant discounts for these 18-19 hour long hauls. In fact they are expecting to increase the flight prices by a 20% plus premium

 

[PapaChurn]

Is the CDG EK lounge accessible to pax on QF34? Given they both are at terminal 2C?

nope, tried that on a recent flight. You get access to "Salon Paul Maxence" though

 

[muppet]

nope, tried that on a recent flight. You get access to "Salon Paul Maxence" though

Thanks @PapaChurn Was it closed or you were denied access?

 

[PapaChurn]

Thanks @PapaChurn Was it closed or you were denied access?

Denied

 

[Mattg]

Does anyone know how this route is going?

Last night’s PER-CDG departure only had 70 pax in Y, although there were 20 in PE and J was full. Is that a normal load?

 

[levelnine]

Does anyone know how this route is going?

Last night’s PER-CDG departure only had 70 pax in Y, although there were 20 in PE and J was full. Is that a normal load?

Doesn't appear to be an aberration:
6 November: J9 C9 D9 I9 W9 R9 T9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V0 S9 N9 Q9 O9 X0 E0
8 November: J9 C9 D9 I9 W9 R9 T9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V0 S9 N9 Q9 O9 X0 E0
11 November: J9 C9 D9 I9 W9 R9 T9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V0 S9 N9 Q9 O9 X0 E0
13 November: J9 C9 D9 I9 W9 R9 T9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V0 S9 N9 Q9 O9 X0 E0

Similarly empty on the return legs too. By contrast, QF9/10 is going out close to full.

 

[Lynda2475]

There are a lot of Perth locals with UK heritage, so I imagine the bulk of people flying QF9/10 are either WA locals or visiting family in WA; given QF decided to no longer start/end in MEL.

I imagine there is far more demand for Paris flights from the east coast where there is a lot more competition.

If QF33/34 was non stop Sunrise flight from SYD or MEL it might be doing much better; but the current 25hr flight time offers no real advantage over other options except another alternative to avoid a ME stop. So if you are going to stop anyway then stretching ones legs in SIN or HKG would possibly be more appealing than PER which doesn't have a F lounge.

Plus QF 9/10 is daily which makes planning easier; but with QF33/34 being only 4 days a week it is much harder to align with travel plans.

 

[CaptJCool]

Does anyone know how this route is going?

Last night’s PER-CDG departure only had 70 pax in Y, although there were 20 in PE and J was full. Is that a normal load?

That is rather telling

Y Y Y
overpriced
Overlong time in cramped seats
People actually want to take the slow boat via Asia or ME

Overhyped for Paris?

 

[jase05]

That is rather telling

Y Y Y
overpriced
Overlong time in cramped seats
People actually want to take the slow boat via Asia or ME

Overhyped for Paris?

Yeah, makes sense.
I’ll preface this by saying firstly that these prices were for a specific date I’m after and secondly I don’t have a clue on the quality of Y product but QF wants $2k return in Y MEL-CDG and the Chinese carriers are $1300-1400 which is a significant saving especially as a couple or family for something that has similar times spent in your seat.
QR and EK were similar price.
17-18hrs on QF Y between PER-CDG on the Nightmareliner looks like absolute hell whereas other flights have a much better break up of flying IMO.
As for J which is what we would be flying QF comes in about $1k pricier than EK, QR and EY or $3-4k pricier than some of the Asian options that offer excellent J products IMO

 

[Notyourbag]

Is there a chance Qantas will drop this flight to seasonal for the European summer?

 

[jrfsp]

Is there a chance Qantas will drop this flight to seasonal for the European summer?

I wouldn’t be surprised, France is very seasonal for outbound Aussies, I expect demand to pick up over Christmas/ new year, but November was always bound to be quiet, little business traffic linking Australia and France doesn’t help