New Qantas route - Perth to Paris from July 2024

[jrfsp]

I wonder if they'll bring back a 380 onto MEL <> SIN to help balance this when the 380s are back.
Also we don't really know at this point how sunrise is tracking . If it is keeping to the timeline (I'd bet on delays however), it actually would only be a year or so left in service for QF9 from mid next year. I can't see them keeping PER <> LHR if SYD <> LHR is running.

Sunrise was scheduled for 2025 sometime wasn't it?

Even with the 10 A380s back in service I don’t think there will be enough to have a MEL-SIN flight

 

[dajop]

Even with the 10 A380s back in service I don’t think there will be enough to have a MEL-SIN flight

And a single A380 service might not be that competitive timing-wise for flights to LHR, as it introduces an almost 4 hour connection time in each direction, or shorter connection in one direction that lengthens the connection in the other direction by the same amount.

Using current timings, QF 1 departs SIN at 2325 and QF2 arrives back at 1745.

So for connection, you would have say QF35 arriving at 19:40 and that aircraft turning around to be QF 36 departing say at 21:30. (QF 35 15:00/19:40, QF36 21:30/07:55+1)

 

[elanshin]

And a single A380 service might not be that competitive timing-wise for flights to LHR, as it introduces an almost 4 hour connection time in each direction, or shorter connection in one direction that lengthens the connection in the other direction by the same amount.

Using current timings, QF 1 departs SIN at 2325 and QF2 arrives back at 1745.

So for connection, you would have say QF35 arriving at 19:40 and that aircraft turning around to be QF 36 departing say at 21:30. (QF 35 15:00/19:40, QF36 21:30/07:55+1)

Couldn't they do QF 36/37 with 1 a380 and 35 /38 with an a330

 

[dajop]

Couldn't they do QF 36/37 with 1 a380 and 35 /38 with an a330

Doesn't work as you'd have an A380 stuck in SIN for 21.5 hrs. 36 leaves SIN at 19:30, but 37 doesn't arrive until 22:00.

They did have 35/36 with A380 and 37/8 with A330 before Covid, (and no JQ7/8). With QF9/10 MEL-PER sector being removed, the cabin that it affects is PE. Currently no single stop PE scheduled between MEL and LHR once 9/10 is gone. If they did 35/36 with A380, you'd have PE in both directions (as well as F), but with a 6.5 hr layover enroute to LHR.

If you don't care so much about the PE cabin it doesn't really matter. F pax have to travel via SYD anyway right now. Y and J pax will still have connections QF37-QF1 and QF2-QF36. It's just PE that misses out.

 

[esseeeayeenn]

They really should have put PE on the A330s during the cabin refit when they updated the J seats.
Just 14 seats, 2 rows, would have been enough.
They could have sold them as Y for domestic/NZ flights with a extra legroom surcharge.

They should sell them as PE on domestic routes.
And be honest and sell the J seats on B738s as PE as well.
They are not a business class hard product.
I dare not hope the QF A32Xneos will have a decent new Business seat either though, even though such configurations are now available for narrow bodies.

 

[esseeeayeenn]

As a general comment I understand why Y PAX without status (and therefore lounge access) would welcome the direct flights.

Transit anywhere without lounge access is a dire experience, but especially in the ME, and worst of all, the hellhole that is Abu Dhabi Airport.

But as a passenger who prefers to fly at the front of the aircraft, and who has access to lounges even when he slums it in Y, I just can't see the appeal.
I welcome the stop over as a chance to walk around, have a shower, get changed, eat a proper meal in a restaurant and maybe even go shopping.

Maybe if QF were going to emulate EK and EY by putting showers on board I would consider it.
Plus an on board chef like EY to cook a la carte meals, on or off menu.
But otherwise it sounds awful to me.

That said, I have to welcome any QF flights to Paris!

 

[AIRwin]

the hellhole that is Abu Dhabi Airport

Coincidentally the new Terminal A has just opened

 

[AIRwin]

So, I've booked my long-delayed week in Paris for next year. You guys aren't selling the experience ... well, the arrival/departure experience to be fair!

You're already a captive audience?

 

[OZDUCK]

I have only flown into CDG ttwice. On the first occasion we just used a Maxi Taxi from the official taxi line to get 4 of us to our hotel just inside the Boulevard Périphérique. No problems and price was fine for 4 people and baggage. The second time we were picking up a leased car at CDG so again no problems. On departure one time we dropped off the leased car there and on the other occasion we got a private van to pick us up from the hotel and that worked well.

As regards the processing inwards and outwards at CDG there no real delays at any time. The only problem we once had was that the immigration officer didn't stamp one of our passports inwards. This was picked up at departure but they just shrugged and processed us..

 

[dajop]

And you never know what you might experience in Paris.

We were there last December for just 23 hrs (it was a last minute trip and we couldn't get an SQ award seat out of London back to Singapore), and before heading the airport for our late evening flight we decided to take a stroll down the Champs-Elysées to see christmas lights etc. It was lined every 2 metres along both sides of the avenue with fully kitted out riot police, in advance of the soon to kick-off France v Morocco WC semi-final. At the bottom we entered the metro, and TBH, never felt so intimidated in my life as a hundred or so of loud, raucous, young male Morocco supporters were exiting the metro. The overall crowds probably also delayed us getting back to hotel to collect luggage and get to the airport. But great experience

 

[Thibault]

Just book a

So, I've booked my long-delayed week in Paris for next year. You guys aren't selling the experience ... well, the arrival/departure experience to be fair!

Book a Blacklane - straight to your accommodation and it should be good.
It all depends on how you make Paris 'yours' -you'll have a fantastic time !

 

[RooFlyer]

there are times they all go on strike or something

... such as when we walked up to the baggage carousel. Lightning walk-off-the-job by baggage handlers. Fortunately lasted only 30 mins when management apparently caved.

 

[JessicaTam]

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[Mickey Mouse]

While I welcome the route, I'm still in that tiny minority that tends to prefer shorter hops to mind-numbing EternityFlights(R)... especially in a coffin.
OTOH, it does line up nicely if you are euroleasing a car.

 

[Himeno]

The capacity request for the France 1 (mainland) route hasn't appeared on the IASC website yet, and 2 new requests from Qantas were posted there today (9 extra seats to Solomon Islands and allow KLM to codeshare on HKG routes)

 

[Rabs97]

I can't see them keeping PER <> LHR if SYD <> LHR is running.

QF have said multiple times that the PER-LHR will remain, in fact will be upgraded to an A350 when they’re available.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news/qantas-perth-london-project-sunrise-a350#:~:text=Qantas'%20Project%20Sunrise%20fleet%20of,current%20Boeing%20787%20in%202026.

There’s more UK born in WA than Victoria, and almost as many as NSW.

It’s interesting to see how a lot of people doubted QF’s plans out of Perth, firstly the original PER-LHR flight wouldn’t work - it does work and is very profitable. There would never be any expansion - now they’re doing FCO and CDG (98% load factor on FCO). Then the PER-LHR route would be dropped after SYD/MEL to LHR is started (they have confirmed it’ll remain and be upgraded). They’ll never get any extra international flights (looks like at least CGK and JNB soon).

Now with the airline and airport on the cusp of a deal for more flights and new terminals it looks like QF’s international future out of PER is quite rosy.

 

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[latawiec]

QF newsroom (09:32)

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media-releases/qantas-says-bonjour-with-direct-flights-from-perth-to-paris/

This new Perth to Paris direct flight is a great development as Paris is centrally located in Europe.

This Paris service will offer passengers option for connecting to more than 70 destinations across the Western European region, including Munich, Frankfurt, Barcelona, Madrid, Athens and more through Qantas’ network of partners.
This service will definitely provide more convenient connections than that via the London or Rome.

 

[exceladdict]

This new Perth to Paris direct flight is a great development as Paris is centrally located in Europe.

This Paris service will offer passengers option for connecting to more than 70 destinations across the Western European region, including Munich, Frankfurt, Barcelona, Madrid, Athens and more through Qantas’ network of partners.
This service will definitely provide more convenient connections than that via the London or Rome.

Hopefully AF and QF increase their reciprocal benefits such as lounge access when it's not a codeshare flight.

 

[RooFlyer]

This new Perth to Paris direct flight is a great development as Paris is centrally located in Europe.

I'm not sure that I'd describe Paris as 'centrally located' within Europe, although it is about 340km more central than London.



In fact with the UK out of the EU it could be argued that Paris is on the edge of Europe.



For centrally located, you have to go MUC or ZRH which are of course major Star Alliance ports.