New Qantas route - Perth to Paris from July 2024

[bussyboy]

Have any P/P1 successfully requested a J seat released yet?

 

[LondonAussie]

Sensible Melburnians don't buy into the Qantas ecosystem. They fly SQ or QR instead. Or at a pinch EK on EK codes...

Why not EK on QF codes? This is what I do now QR earns half the status credits. (Yes I should have switched to BAEC)

I have heard from friends though that they found the PER-LHR better for jetlag, but personally I didn't find it much different to going via SIN or HKG.

Going via DOH/DXB I tend to feel worse arriving back in London but better arriving into Melbourne.

 

[dajop]

Why not EK on QF codes? This is what I do now QR earns half the status credits. (Yes I should have switched to BAEC)

Because you're then still in the QF ecosystem and supporting them

 

[levelnine]

Sensible Melburnians don't buy into the Qantas ecosystem. They fly SQ or QR instead. Or at a pinch EK on EK codes...

Indeed. With Qantas sticking up the middle finger towards Melburnians flying to Europe (a tired old A330 or, even worse, 737 in J for 15-20% of the journey — no thanks), it's never been a better time to try out the plethora of great alternatives.

 

[RooFlyer]

Sensible Melburnians don't buy into the Qantas ecosystem. They fly SQ or QR instead. Or at a pinch EK on EK codes...

Made more sensible by this para in the ET article above:

However, the seasonal Sydney-Perth-Rome service will retain a Boeing 787 all the way to the Eternal City, with Sydney-Perth-Paris also offering a 787 from the harbour to the Seine.

Indeed. With Qantas sticking up the middle finger towards Melburnians flying to Europe (a tired old A330 or, even worse, 737 in J for 15-20% of the journey — no thanks), it's never been a better time to try out the plethora of great alternatives.

I must admit, as my international itinerary always includes a first leg on a B737 (from HBA), I don't have much sympathy with the QF MEL-Perth mob and I take that B737 to the alternatives .

 

[levelnine]

I must admit, as my international itinerary always includes a first leg on a B737 (from HBA), I don't have much sympathy with the QF MEL-Perth mob and I take that B737 to the alternatives .

Yes, but Hobartians live in a city of 200K. Melburnians live in a city of 5+mil.

In other words, Melbourne is 25x the size of Hobart.

No one sensible expects routes out of London and Longreach to have the same quality of airline seat product.

 

[justinbrett]

Maybe they would rather MEL pax travel via SIN? Still good connections on that route.

 

[RooFlyer]

In other words, Melbourne is 25x the size of Hobart.

Sure, but people in Hobart are nicer. Now just waiting on QR to announce a HBA-MEL-DOH tag flight

 

[levelnine]

Maybe they would rather MEL pax travel via SIN? Still good connections on that route.

AF does indeed have an excellent J product on their CDG-SIN routes, but that's probably not what QF were hoping for when they launched this route .

 

[BriarFlyer]

Have any P/P1 successfully requested a J seat released yet?

With no I availability that would be a waste of time.

 

[levelnine]

The more I consider it, the more I think dropping the 787 from the MEL-PER-MEL leg is going to hurt Qantas.

For the MEL-based business traveller to London, QF9/10 used to be a no brainer:
- Access to First lounge if WP
- Very quick route to London (23h 15m)
- Acceptable J product all the way

Now that the MEL-PER-MEL leg has been dropped, that route is far less attractive:
- No access to First lounge
- Slower route to London (24h 40m via PER — 1.5 hours slower!)
- Inferior J product on the domestic leg

But of course you can still go via SIN (at 23h 40m), but then QF has the lost the advantage of an Australian transit point, still has a slower route than the old QF9/10, is now directly competing against SQ, and is also competing much more closely with EK, QR, etc.

And those competitors not only offer cheaper prices, but also better J products:

 

[exceladdict]

The more I consider it, the more I think dropping the 787 from the MEL-PER-MEL leg is going to hurt Qantas.

For the MEL-based business traveller to London, QF9/10 used to be a no brainer:
- Access to First lounge if WP
- Quickest route to London (23h 15m)
- Acceptable J product all the way

Now that the MEL-PER-MEL leg has been dropped, that route is far less attractive:
- No access to First lounge
- Slower route to London (24h 40m — 1.5 hours slower!)
- Inferior J product on the domestic leg

But of course you can still go via SIN (at 23h 40m), but then QF has the lost the advantage of an Australian transit point & quickest route. It is now directly competing against SIN & competing much more closely with EK, QR, etc.

And those competitors not only offer cheaper prices, but also better J products:
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Any reports on the performance of qf9 per/Mel?

 

[PineappleSkip]

I must admit, as my international itinerary always includes a first leg on a B737 (from HBA), I don't have much sympathy with the QF MEL-Perth mob and I take that B737 to the alternatives

Indeed, if you’re flying out of BNE via PER ( or from ADL for that matter) the net change is … nil. Would be interesting to know what proportion of PAX on QF9 originate in MEL and what the loadings were like on the domestic sector.

 

[jrfsp]

Any reports on the performance of qf9 per/Mel?

Aside from all the flyers on here, i wouldnt be surprised if most domestic (especially corporate) pax avoided it, for QF9/10 there is a domestic flight 30/45 mins earlier which would still mean a later later arrival time (if time poor) avoiding all the liquid rules

 

[sudoer]

Any reports on the performance of qf9 per/Mel?

EF stats for past 2 months:




IMO the real benefit of having the same equipment flying the onward leg is the assurance that you won't misconnect, and that you don't need to stuff around with terminal changes and immigration halfway through your journey.

 

[Quickstatus]

So now there is even less reason to do a MEL-LHR via PER.

It used to be A380 all the way, then B787 via PER with narrower seats in Y but add a premium to the price and now B787 only part of the way and ai suspect price still a premium.

SIN looking better all the time

 

[jrfsp]

So now there is even less reason to do a MEL-LHR via PER.

SIN looking better all the time

At least with the reintroduction of QF37 the timings will be better

Although both SIN flights are going to swap to the 332, not great if in economy and no W product

 

[Quickstatus]

Although both SIN flights are going to swap to the 332, not great if in economy and no W product

LOL I'm thinking of the A350, B777, and A380

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

Any reports on the performance of qf9 per/Mel?

If you take a look at flight aware or flight radar, if there is anything that happens to QF9/QF10, they put pax onto a dom 737, (and as mentioned above, the 787 turns around PER - LHR) to keep schedule.
Have seen QF9 saying "cancelled" several times, on the dom tag sector.
Though bags will tagged through to/from QF9/QF10 (being stopped in PER from next year), having to do the passport show at MEL T1 and flying out from there is indeed a pain in the prosterior.
Even if there is a special counter for those pax going MEL - PER - LHR, on the 737, its will still be a slow going process.
MEL T1 dep and arr is already a busy zoo most of the time, esp dom sec screening, and only having the QFd J lounge or MEL QP.

 

[PeterA]

Has anyone here done the SYD to CDG on EK relatively recently as comparison? Seriously considering the QF or EK options in J for September 2024.