New Qantas route - Perth to Paris from July 2024

[UP4014]

New route announced, Perth to Paris.

 

[LondonAussie]

They've been talking about direct flights to Paris since at least 2017, is it officially going ahead now? Alan Joyce previously blamed Perth airport and the French government for stifling his Paris plans.

 

[jrfsp]

They've been talking about direct flights to Paris since at least 2017, is it officially going ahead now? Alan Joyce previously blamed Perth airport and the French government for stifling his Paris plans.

Alan’s gone, QF and PAPL have kissed and made up

 

[Himeno]

Got a source for this claim? I can't find anything.

There has been speculation for years that Qantas would fly to Paris. Nothing official has ever been announced. Qantas has just repeatedly said it is possible with new aircraft orders and they were looking at it as an option.

Qantas already sells flights to Paris via codeshares on EK and AF.

Qantas would also need to account for the limits of the air service agreement to mainland France. Australian carriers are allowed 3.0 units per week.
400 seats and above 1.0
360 - 399 seats 0.9
320 - 359 seats 0.8
280 - 319 seats 0.7
240 - 279 seats 0.6
200 - 239 seats 0.5
150 - 199 seats 0.4
aircraft below 150 seats 0.25

In order to have a daily service, they would need to use an aircraft with less then 200 seats.

 

[sudoer]

Got a source for this claim? I can't find anything.

I don't think it's been officially announced but I've heard the same ..

 

[SYD]

It’s been speculated here but nothing official? Yet?

Qantas to finally move to main Perth Airport hub

Being reported in WA Today https://www.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/qantas-to-finally-move-to-main-perth-airport-hub-20231017-p5ed29.html (May be paywalled) After years of fractious negotiations, Qantas will move its main Perth operations to Airport Central where it will construct...

www.australianfrequentflyer.com.au

 

[milehighclub]

Service starts July 2024. Four times a week, then three from August.

Year round service.

 

[AIRwin]

Same as previous flight number QF17/18?

 

[levelnine]

Are there more 787s coming to start this route? Or are they being taken off other routes?

 

[sudoer]

Are there more 787s coming to start this route? Or are they being taken off other routes?

QF25 daily is reverting from a 787 to an A330

 

[justinbrett]

JNB is moving from 787 to A380 at the same time

 

[AFF Editor]

It's confirmed:

https://www.australianfrequentflyer.com.au/qantas-launches-sydney-perth-paris/

The flights will be QF33 and QF34, routing SYD-PER-CDG.

 

[justinbrett]

Alan’s gone, QF and PAPL have kissed and made up

Pretty sure this is AJ’s work. You’ll notice he used the France ASA a lot as an example when asked about Qatargate. It was obvious then a service to Paris was in the works and QF wanted to make it daily.

 

[jrfsp]

How many intl flights can PER T3 handle at the same time, wasn’t sure if only two gates were available for intl?
The lounge will be very busy!

Still no mention of QF returning to FRA!

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

How many intl flights can PER T3 handle at the same time, wasn’t sure if only two gates were available for intl?
The lounge will be very busy!

PER airport does not have a curfew, so they could time the flights to be outside of the busy QFi flights from/to SIN and LHR timings.
Granted of course, it they group all the dep and arr to be roughly the same time, within a few hrs intervals, they could make it fin worthwhile, airport ops ancillary costings wise, (food use in the lounge, cleaning, gate and other area cleaning, and int security. screening, etc).
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Mirage news says that QF and PER airport are still in discussions about moving ops to PER T1, now that AJ has gone and that there is the change of a lot of people at QF, so it might work to all pluses, esp now that PER T1 also has the train line running through it.

 

[SYD]

How many intl flights can PER T3 handle at the same time, wasn’t sure if only two gates were available for intl?
The lounge will be very busy!

There’s big gaps currently between QF71 (SIN) - 12:25pm, QF9 (LHR) - 7:20pm and QF5 (FCO) - 11:30pm and the later isn’t daily. Sounds like the CDG flight will depart in between but also not daily.

If CGK starts, you’d expect that to be an early morning out of PER?

 

[VHOEJ]

BNELAX needs the 787......

 

[RooFlyer]

Schedule is in Matt's story. SYD-PER-CDG and reverse.

 

[Lynda2475]

Wonder if one of the first flights will be a points plane, like they did when FCO launched?

BNELAX needs the 787......

BNE demand must be weaker than SYD-HNL which is getting the 789. Although I'd think they start BNE-ORD if they had another spare dreamliner.

 

[RooFlyer]

Wonder if one of the first flights will be a points plane, like they did when FCO launched?

Addressed in Matt's article - no. Immediately before Paris Olympics and European summer.