Oneworld Classic Flight Reward Discussion - The Definitive Thread

[munitalP]

re: Qantas "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Discussion

thanks JK

typos are an issue today...

:shock:

Mr!

 

[Reggie]

re: Qantas "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Discussion

JohnK

Thanks for your intial repsonse to me question, you did a job of working out what I meant, I should have said 35000 miles

MEL-LHR-LAS
LAS-ORD-MAN
MAN-LHR
LHR-FRA
FRA-LHR-HKG
HKG-MEL

So in reality this award is not a RTW award, as you dont have to fly around the globe? Or is MEL-LHR-LAS supposed to be MEL-LAX-LAS?

 

[serfty]

Qantas don't have an ATW award - they do have a oneworld award which can be used for ATW routings.

As posted limitations are:

• 16 Segments
• 5 stovers
• MPM of 35,000 miles.

So you can go SYD-LHR-LAX-SYD or SYD-NRT-HKG-LAX-NRT-DPS-NRT-HKG-SYD.

 

[JohnK]

re: Qantas "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Discussion

So in reality this award is not a RTW award, as you dont have to fly around the globe? Or is MEL-LHR-LAS supposed to be MEL-LAX-LAS?

Yes I did mean MEL-LAX-LAS. I think munitalP has done a good job of passing on his typing errors. But there is nothing stopping you going MEL-LHR-LAS and then back again via the other cities in the itinerary as long as you stayed under 35,000 miles, 16 sectors and 5 stopovers

Techincally it is not a RTW award but a Oneworld award. I still like to refer it to as Oneworld RTW award as I think this is a little clearer than Oneworld award and I do use it to go RTW....

 

[Reggie]

re: Qantas "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Discussion

Thanks for your answer so far JohnK, Serfty and others.

I read in a post that I can't find now (maybe lost with last weeks) that said somehting about having to pay taxes for a lap infant. Is this correct? ie, If I booked 2 tickets for 2 pax and 1 lap infant using QFF points on the 140000 points award, the taxes would be higher that booking it for just 2 pax.

 

[piperlance]

re: Qantas "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Discussion

Somewhere earlier in the post someone suggested using this award to make three return trips from OZ to Asia - keeping within the 35K mileage - and 5 stopovers etc. When I try that using the multi-city option on the QF website, before I even get to select flights it tells me that only one departure and entry from the country of origin is allowed.

Am I doing something wrong, or is that a key rule of this award?

 

[futaris]

re: Qantas "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Discussion

Frequent Flyer - About the Program - Terms & Conditions

14.3.5 A Classic Award Itinerary must contain no more than one departure from the city or country of first departure on that Itinerary.

You can start in NZ, and come back to Australia, but:

14.5.4 The following Stopover conditions apply:
(a) up to five free Stopovers are permitted;
(b) additional Stopovers are not permitted;
(c) only one Stopover is permitted in any one city in the Itinerary; and
(d) only two Transfers may be taken at any one city in the Itinerary.

e.g. You can only stopover in BNE once, but you can also stopover in OOL and MCY.

 

[thegurio]

re: Qantas "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Discussion

Thanks all - makes more sense. But that means there's no equivalent "purchased" fare?

I think everyone missed poor docjames post here but i would like to bring it to everyones attention.

Is there an equivalent purchased fare? Reason why i ask is because thegurio's are thinking of spending next christmas in New York and one of us can go on points and then the others can buy the fares. We also have enough points *almost* for Y+ which is what i think i would go for if the purchased fare wasnt to exorbitant.

So just a quick summary of the rules - 35k miles, 5 stopovers and no more than 16 sectors? Shouldnt be too hard to get that organised!

 

[serfty]

Maybe an LGLOB34 ...

 

[gaz1]

re: Qantas "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Discussion

Hi,
I have also been looking into using this fare for 3 return trips to Asia (and other places) within 12 months as per message #30:

......It would be possible, for example to do the following:
CBR-SYD-SIN(s)-MEL(s)-SIN-BKK(s)-SYD(s)-HKG(s)-BNE-CBR if you wanted three returns to Asia from east coast over twelve months, as long as you got BA & CX onto the itinerary in this example.

However, as piperlance found:

... When I try that using the multi-city option on the QF website, before I even get to select flights it tells me that only one departure and entry from the country of origin is allowed.

So I rang the Qantas FF booking number & they said the same thing, once you land back in Australia your trip has ended.

Now Futaris mentioned that this is part of the Oneworld award conditions:

14.3.5 A Classic Award Itinerary must contain no more than one departure from the city or country of first departure on that Itinerary.

Out of interest, is this a new condition, or was it never possible to actually do this?

I note that this mentions only one departure from the initial country of departure, so does that mean you could start the trip from (for example) Singapore or KL (probably the cheapest overseas place to get to from Perth) and then do multiple return trips back to different ports in Australia over a 12 month period to achieve the same result (apart from just paying for the initial PER-SIN flight)?

Cheers,

Gary.

 

[serfty]

re: Qantas "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Discussion

...
Now Futaris mentioned that this is part of the Oneworld award conditions:

14.3.5 A Classic Award Itinerary must contain no more than one departure from the city or country of first departure on that Itinerary.

Out of interest, is this a new condition, or was it never possible to actually do this? ...

This clause was certainly there in Nov 2007. I do note that it is in a different sub section to the "oneworld" classic award specific rules but is applicable to all "Classic" awards. So it would have been easy to miss.

... I note that this mentions only one departure from the initial country of departure, so does that mean you could start the trip from (for example) Singapore or KL (probably the cheapest overseas place to get to from Perth) and then do multiple return trips back to different ports in Australia over a 12 month period to achieve the same result (apart from just paying for the initial PER-SIN flight)? ...

Seems to be the case.

 

[piperlance]

re: Qantas "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Discussion

No, I don't think you could do multiple trips, unless you returned to a different port in Asia each time. The rule says "one departure from the city or country of origin" so you can't return to SIN unless it's at the end of the itinerary.

 

[_kab_]

re: Qantas "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Discussion

erm, is there any chance of this post (and the other similar thread) becoming a - merged- sticky? I have found this info very interesting indeed!

As someone who travels internationally for leisure - and subsequently 'only' does so once every 12 months - it is sometimes the case that this sort of inside info alludes me. Previously, I was "WTF is a DONE4?"
Had it not been for this thread I honestly would have been none the wiser!

My story is that I will have at my disposal around 250k QFF points by mid next year ...I was planning a MEL-LHR return jaunt...but now, after having read this thread, a LONE4 seems like a much better use of points (& it would also let me re-visit a few places I haven't seen for a few years so it's a win win!).

Thanks to everyone who has contributed so far. Great reading I reckon

 

[serfty]

re: Qantas "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Discussion

No, I don't think you could do multiple trips, unless you returned to a different port in Asia each time. The rule says "one departure from the city or country of origin" so you can't return to SIN unless it's at the end of the itinerary.

Certainly, you could not return to SIN except at the end of the routing.

Also there are the transfer/stopover constraints so you cannot transit any port more than twice nor stopover more than once, nor have more than five stopovers.

I believe this would be a valid ex SIN route:

SIN-xHKG-MEL-xHKG-NRT-SYD-HKG-BNE-xMEL-SIN

 

[serfty]

... My story is that I will have at my disposal around 250k QFF points by mid next year ...I was planning a MEL-LHR return jaunt...but now, after having read this thread, a LONE4 seems like a much better use of points (& it would also let me re-visit a few places I haven't seen for a few years so it's a win win!). ...

A LONE4 is a purchased, not an award fare.

This thread is referring to oneworld classic Awards using the Qantas frequent flyer program.

 

[_kab_]

re: Qantas "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Discussion

A LONE4 is a purchased, not an award fare.

This thread is referring to oneworld classic Awards using the Qantas frequent flyer program.

hmmmm, possibly now more confused.

OK, so let me see if I understand this right. Aside from how the purchase of the fare is financed, is a LONE4 and a oneworld classic Award essentially the same beast - specifically in terms of getting you RTW and in terms of both following much the same rules? This is what I thought...

Ultimately, if one can fly RTW on 140k....that's all I need to know!

 

[serfty]

hmmmm, possibly now more confused.

OK, so let me see if I understand this right. Aside from how the purchase of the fare is financed, is a LONE4 and a oneworld classic Award essentially the same beast - specifically in terms of getting you RTW and in terms of both following much the same rules? This is what I thought...

Ultimately, if one can fly RTW on 140k....that's all I need to know!

The Qantas award fare for (up to) 142,500 QFF points is called a "Qantas Frequent Flyer oneworld Classic award". This thread is about that beast.


As far as LONE4's go, have a look at these links for all the information you need to know regarding xONEx's also known as "oneworld Explorer" fares, but were afraid to ask:

• oneworld - oneworld Explorer
• The oneworld explorer ticket FAQs - FlyerTalk Forums

 

[futaris]

re: Qantas "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Discussion

The oneworld award can be used for a RTW trip, but you can only stopover in 5 cities, and transit a city twice.

14.5.4 The following Stopover conditions apply:
(a) up to five free Stopovers are permitted;
(b) additional Stopovers are not permitted;
(c) only one Stopover is permitted in any one city in the Itinerary; and
(d) only two Transfers may be taken at any one city in the Itinerary.

 

[Skyring]

re: Qantas "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Discussion

hmmmm, possibly now more confused.

OK, so let me see if I understand this right. Aside from how the purchase of the fare is financed, is a LONE4 and a oneworld classic Award essentially the same beast - specifically in terms of getting you RTW and in terms of both following much the same rules? This is what I thought...

Ultimately, if one can fly RTW on 140k....that's all I need to know!

LONE4 and the classic awards 140K trip have different rules. Probably best to ignore any xONEx details when planning an award trip.

But yes, the awards trip can be used to go around the world. I've done it once in 2006 and I'm doing it again in a couple of weeks. Study the rules carefully, accept the limitations, and you should be OK.

Bear in mind that you can combine other travel to get to more places. For example, so far as Qantas knows, I'm spending six nights in London, but I'm also visiting Edinburgh and Paris via train within that period to get around the five stopovers rule and limit of two transits per airport.

 

[_kab_]

re: Qantas "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Discussion

Thanks serfty, futaris & Skyring for the info
Feeling fractionally less

But yes, the awards trip can be used to go around the world. I've done it once in 2006 and I'm doing it again in a couple of weeks. Study the rules carefully, accept the limitations, and you should be OK.

Excellent...that's exactly what I'll be doing - woo hoo:!: