Oneworld Classic Flight Reward Discussion - The Definitive Thread

[Boca68]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Thank you Jacques and Hutch.

Made it clear for me. It was jsut something that bugged me over the past few days.

 

[Jacques Vert]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

I'll also add that co-located airports also contribute to the surface segments. Eg. ZRH-LHR then LCY-AMS counts as 3 segments.

Just to be clear on this; I thought that was only in certain cities such as London and New York?

To be specific, would an arrival at NRT and departure from HND be considered a surface sector?

JV

 

[Boca68]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Just to be clear on this; I thought that was only in certain cities such as London and New York?

To be specific, would an arrival at NRT and departure from HND be considered a surface sector?

JV

Hi Jacques,
just did a test via the OW planner page and yes a cross city connection, i.e. HND/NRT is counted as a sector. So, I'm assuming it would be the same anywhere else

 

[serfty]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

It's a stopover - can't go over 23hr 59min

Hmmm... had a booking -xORD-xLHR/LGW-DBV- ...

Scheduled to arrive at LHR 10am and departure from LGW 10am next day - it was booked as a transit with no UK APD assessed.

 

[vetrade]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Hmmm... had a booking -xORD-xLHR/LGW-DBV- ...

Scheduled to arrive at LHR 10am and departure from LGW 10am next day - it was booked as a transit with no UK APD assessed.

I admit I have been able to avoid this particular conundrum when booking RTW rewards myself so I don't have direct personal experience however the 23hrs 59 mins did come from the QF call centre about 18 months ago. I was never able to find a definition of a stopover more specific than "more than 24 hours" in QF's T&Cs. Call centre info is not always 100% accurate though. Technically I suppose you would have to say that 10am - 10am is more than 24 hours (if you wanted to be pedantic). I can also recall the same opinion being stated in threads here in the past (but I couldn't locate one tonight to reference using the search function).

A "transit" refers to an arrival and departure from the same airport. In the example you quoted, Serfty, under the OW 16 segment rule you officially had a land segment from LHR to LGW during that 24 hours even though both airports are in London. Maybe the interpretation might have been different if you were arriving and departing from LHR.

 

[madrooster]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Just to be clear on this; I thought that was only in certain cities such as London and New York?

To be specific, would an arrival at NRT and departure from HND be considered a surface sector?

JV

It's all co-located airports, whether that be LAX/ONT/BUR/LGB, HND/NRT, EWR/JFK/LGA, ORY/CDG, TXL/SXF, MXP/LIN, ORD/MDW, etc etc.

 

[JohnM]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Just to be clear on this; I thought that was only in certain cities such as London and New York?

To be specific, would an arrival at NRT and departure from HND be considered a surface sector?

JV

Once upon a time it was only certain cities (eg. some years ago LHR and LGW were not considered separate, but AEP and GIG were ).

That was useful especially in the good old days of 20-sector true xONEx RTW fares. I can recall flying in to LHR on a DONEx and transferring to LGW to fly to RKV, back to LGW and then out of LHR without it costing me any sectors on the ground .

Making same-city airports separate seemed to coincide with the dropping of xONEx fares back to 16 sectors - so the worst of all worlds. I don't know of any now where it is not a surface sector when transferring between a same-city pair .

 

[madrooster]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Making same-city airports separate seemed to coincide with the dropping of xONEx fares back to 16 sectors - so the worst of all worlds. I don't know of any now where it is not a surface sector when transferring between a same-city pair .

This really coincided with the changeover to exclusively using e-ticketing. The change to e-ticketing also changed the maximum number of conjunction tickets issued, to 3, for a total of 4 tickets and 16 coupons. In paper ticketing days you were allowed to have 20 coupons but not anymore.

 

[Jacques Vert]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Hi Jacques,
just did a test via the OW planner page and yes a cross city connection, i.e. HND/NRT is counted as a sector. So, I'm assuming it would be the same anywhere else

It's all co-located airports, whether that be LAX/ONT/BUR/LGB, HND/NRT, EWR/JFK/LGA, ORY/CDG, TXL/SXF, MXP/LIN, ORD/MDW, etc etc.

Once upon a time it was only certain cities (eg. some years ago LHR and LGW were not considered separate, but AEP and GIG were ).

Thanks everyone,

And have just had to change my NRT-HND to NRT-NRT to get around the 16 sector rule.

 

[hopefulQFF]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

I'm off on my 280K trip next Monday! Super excited to have a big trip in J for $900-ish in taxes (credit card rewards did the rest!).

Doing BNE - (HKG) - LHR - (side trip to Switzerland/Germany/Austria) - JFK - HKG - BNE with CX and BA. Most of my 5 weeks is in Europe and then a few days in New York and a very short stopover in HKG on my way back. Thanks to everyone who contributes here - couldn't have done it without you all!

 

[JohnM]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

A couple of quick questions for the brains' trusts:

Is it considered generally difficult to get F or J redemptions on QR and does QR open at -353 days? Just dummying MIA-DOH-PER in about 340-350d and it looks bare in F & J.

Is anyone aware of a listing of when each OWA airline (including QF codeshares on EK) opens redemptions? Or is it simple in that most are -353d with one (AA 330d) or just a few others being different? This only lists a few OWA airlines: When Do Airlines Open Award Seats? - One Mile at a Time

Also, playing around, it seems like redemptions for QF codeshares on EK in F or J may open a little later than those in Y. Is that the case?

 

[hutch]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

I have 4 x J bookings on QR coming up and didn't have any major issues getting the seats. I was booking a full year out in advance - 365days.

 

[hutch]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Also, can't book EK flights in a OW award.

 

[JohnM]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Also, can't book EK flights in a OW award.

Understood - but, as I noted, QF codeshares on EK metal can be.

Interesting about QR being bookable a full year out.

 

[hutch]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Hmmm, Cant fly EK on a OW award...Whether it's a QF codeshare or not.

 

[snabbu]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

I was quite surprised the other day to see availability on QR for a SYD-NRT award (sure it's a long way to get there but they show up) this far out. Today's date is 9th April 2016.

 

[JohnM]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Hmmm, Cant fly EK on a OW award...Whether it's a QF codeshare or not.

Here's a random dummy search:



Doesn't show as the QF flight number. I guess what I really mean is that QF redemptions are available on EK on sectors where QF has a codeshare agreement with EK.

 

[hutch]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

I'm not stating you can't book EK flights using QF points. I'm saying you can't fly EK when doing a OW award.

You are posting in the OW thread afterall...

 

[JohnM]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

I'm not stating you can't book EK flights using QF points. I'm saying you can't fly EK when doing a OW award.

You are posting in the OW thread afterall...

Apologies for misunderstanding what you meant and for going a bit OT.

I posted my original question about QR and how far ahead different OWA airlines open redemptions here because I felt it was something that many posters to this thread would have experience of.

 

[hutch]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Apologies aren't needed. But since you mentioned EK here, it's good to point out that they can't be used for the purposes of this thread, that's all.