Oneworld separate ticket interline changes

[Quickstatus]

So....
whats the best recommendation for a trip to the USA.

QF Revenue ticket to LAX then another separate AA ticket from LAX to USA domestic.
Ordinarily these cannot be combined, but this thread suggests a way to enhance the two??

 

[amaroo]

So....
whats the best recommendation for a trip to the USA.

QF Revenue ticket to LAX then another separate AA ticket from LAX to USA domestic.
Ordinarily these cannot be combined, but this thread suggests a way to enhance the two??

Took the words out of my mouth.

I've got the QF revenue (J) BNE-SYD-LAX-SYD-BNE booked (with 50% SC offer/conditions) and I'm just about to book AA revenue (F - P class) LAX-JFK-DFW-LAS-LAX ... was going to book today however, I've been given a tip for a TA - I'll call them tomorrow and suss it out.

 

[Quickstatus]

Let us know how this goes. This is really delving into the dark arts!!!

 

[cmon0005]

Publishing a fare would be like Fairfax Media publishing The Age basically. No published fare would be like Fairfax not offering a newspaper in Melbourne.

You can actually issue QF codes to SIN and then UL codes for SIN-CMB-MLE on a single ticket, on UL ticket stock. Needs to be manually priced but the fare is offered. My expectation is neither the UL nor QF sites would offer it.

I am even more confused now :S

However I called QF Res on the phone, they could price J for me on the flights that weren't working online for business, however it was only pricing at high J fare buckets despite there being lower J fare buckets available on all 3 legs QF-UL-UL (circa $12k)! :shock:

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I am even more confused now :S

However I called QF Res on the phone, they could price J for me on the flights that weren't working online for business, however it was only pricing at high J fare buckets despite there being lower J fare buckets available on all 3 legs QF-UL-UL (circa $12k)! :shock:

I was gonna make the comment earlier... QF or UL probably does have a published fare for the route... but one you probably don't want to pay!

 

[ozbeachbabe]

I am even more confused now :S

However I called QF Res on the phone, they could price J for me on the flights that weren't working online for business, however it was only pricing at high J fare buckets despite there being lower J fare buckets available on all 3 legs QF-UL-UL (circa $12k)! :shock:

Mixed carriage combo fares will rarely be cheaper so always better to book UL via an OTA ex SIN or UL website.

I read on AFF that there are travel insurance policies who do cover missed connections on separate tickets as long as you arrive in SIN prior to checkin opening for your onward UL flight.

I wouldn't rely on TI just in case your first flight had a schedule change to depart later and you arrived in SIN later.

If it''s a long way off it may be advisable to book a night in SIN as a precaution.

At the moment there is no charge to QF interlining on other OW carriers eg UL on separate tickets so if your trip is in the near future you may be okay.

As Confucious said "the law may sleep but it never dies."

 

[cmon0005]

I was gonna make the comment earlier... QF or UL probably does have a published fare for the route... but one you probably don't want to pay!

hehe..yes.. could get First class elsewhere in the world for less than that!

Still it puts a big fat fail in the face of OW/QF, they want us to book all on one ticket, but yet they can't provide in a lot of instances. Even to a popular holiday destination like Male, another that comes to mind is Kathmandu, it is not even bookable online with QF, though I have booked it over the phone with QF in the past on Dragonair for a reasonable extra cost.

 

[JohnK]

Surprised to see this news so quickly.

As mentioned earlier in the thread this change has come about as a result of people booking cheaper options out of CMB, CGK, MNL and combining awards on different airlines.

Not happy with the changes but for now just transitting via SIN/HKG and they have transfer desk so no need to worry. For the rest need to think carefully of my convoluted routes. Not the end of the world.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

hehe..yes.. could get First class elsewhere in the world for less than that!

Still it puts a big fat fail in the face of OW/QF, they want us to book all on one ticket, but yet they can't provide in a lot of instances. Even to a popular holiday destination like Male, another that comes to mind is Kathmandu, it is not even bookable online with QF, though I have booked it over the phone with QF in the past on Dragonair for a reasonable extra cost.

But is it not party that you have golden handcuffs with QF and they can do what they want? (assuming they may decide to implement this in the future).

I'm not tied with any status to any airline... or constrained by simpler and fairer to QF flights where possible. So instead of a QF-UL separate tickets where an airline may not through-check I take an airline that can do it all on one ticket... like SQ. Or CX.

Either enough people aren't affected by the [pending] change, or those that are value their status more than the inconvenience. If status pax decided to book elsewhere, airlines would have commercial imperatives to try and work with us, not against us.

 

[PineappleSkip]

Not happy with the changes but for now just transitting via SIN/HKG and they have transfer desk so no need to worry. For the rest need to think carefully of my convoluted routes. Not the end of the world.

Yes, the changes mean the connecting airport and their transfer services assume a lot of importance. Booked separate tickets BNE CX X/HKG CX DXB and DXB EK KBL. The day after I read the AusBT article. Looks like CX won't interline my bags unlike previously, but at least I can get a Marhaba transfer for my bags for an extra $120:shock: or so.

The alternative was DEL with its TRANSFER DESK FROM HELL.:shock::shock:. Glad I didn't pick that alternative.

Cheers skip

 

[Flying mermaid]

Took the words out of my mouth.

I've got the QF revenue (J) BNE-SYD-LAX-SYD-BNE booked (with 50% SC offer/conditions) and I'm just about to book AA revenue (F - P class) LAX-JFK-DFW-LAS-LAX ... was going to book today however, I've been given a tip for a TA - I'll call them tomorrow and suss it out.

Do you have a tight connection in Lax? I have had separate tickets before and have just picked up the luggage, walked over to T4 and checked in again. You get the priority queue for checkin, which is not usually long, so I haven't found it an issue. I guess if Qantas is running really late it could be.

 

[Quickstatus]

Do you have a tight connection in Lax? I have had separate tickets before and have just picked up the luggage, walked over to T4 and checked in again. You get the priority queue for checkin, which is not usually long, so I haven't found it an issue. I guess if Qantas is running really late it could be.

FM, in your experience if QF is late to the extent you missed the onward AA flight (separate ticket) what has been the response from the airlines?

 

[codash1099]

Yes. AA are generally very good at doing this, without even asking.

I once saw a page on AA's web site that indicated they would treat a delayed OW flight as they would their own, but I can no longer find that page. It may have been deleted, which may in turn indicate a change of policy.

 

[Flying mermaid]

FM, in your experience if QF is late to the extent you missed the onward AA flight (separate ticket) what has been the response from the airlines?

I actually haven't ever had the problem on that route! I understood AA would offer protection, but have never had to put it to the test.

 

[madrooster]

I am even more confused now :S

However I called QF Res on the phone, they could price J for me on the flights that weren't working online for business, however it was only pricing at high J fare buckets despite there being lower J fare buckets available on all 3 legs QF-UL-UL (circa $12k)! :shock:

I was gonna make the comment earlier... QF or UL probably does have a published fare for the route... but one you probably don't want to pay!

UL does have a published fare in I class for MEL/MLE return. Whilst I didn't actually price it to the exact price, it looks like it'll come out to be about $5300 AUD, all on one ticket.

Mixed carriage combo fares will rarely be cheaper so always better to book UL via an OTA ex SIN or UL website.

Combo fares are actually often cheaper. There is often a lot that can be done on combo fares that no airline website or OTA site would present to you...

Given in this scenario, a SYD/SIN return in J on QF would run up mid $3000's. The combined through-fare is say mid $5500... you'd need to get the UL SIN/MLE return for $2000 AUD to be equal or less than the combo through-fare.

Took the words out of my mouth.

I've got the QF revenue (J) BNE-SYD-LAX-SYD-BNE booked (with 50% SC offer/conditions) and I'm just about to book AA revenue (F - P class) LAX-JFK-DFW-LAS-LAX ... was going to book today however, I've been given a tip for a TA - I'll call them tomorrow and suss it out.

Just a heads up, you won't be able to combine into a single PNR if that QF revenue J ticket was done on QF's website. You will be eligible to have the US/ZP taxes reduced on your AA F ticket though assuming your routing is wholly within the continental states of the US.

 

[amaroo]

Do you have a tight connection in Lax? I have had separate tickets before and have just picked up the luggage, walked over to T4 and checked in again. You get the priority queue for checkin, which is not usually long, so I haven't found it an issue. I guess if Qantas is running really late it could be.

Haven't booked yet. Will probably play safe and book a 4+hr connection for both QF flights in/out of LAX.

Just a heads up, you won't be able to combine into a single PNR if that QF revenue J ticket was done on QF's website. You will be eligible to have the US/ZP taxes reduced on your AA F ticket though assuming your routing is wholly within the continental states of the US.

Ok, that snookers that plan. Will remember for next time - cheers!

Let us know how this goes. This is really delving into the dark arts!!!

Won't bother with the TA now - no way they're going to match this fare. I know you can do better for 450SC however, it's good enough to get me where I need to go plus get me over the 1200SC line for another year

 

[madrooster]

Haven't booked yet. Will probably play safe and book a 4+hr connection for both QF flights in/out of LAX.



Ok, that snookers that plan. Will remember for next time - cheers!



Won't bother with the TA now - no way they're going to match this fare. I know you can do better for 450SC however, it's good enough to get me where I need to go plus get me over the 1200SC line for another year

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You can be exempted from US and ZP tax on that itinerary through a TA... $100+ AUD worth of it too.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Given in this scenario, a SYD/SIN return in J on QF would run up mid $3000's. The combined through-fare is say mid $5500... you'd need to get the UL SIN/MLE return for $2000 AUD to be equal or less than the combo through-fare.

UL's return fare SIN-MLE ranges from AUD1225 to AUD1425 including taxes in business class.

 

[madrooster]

UL's return fare SIN-MLE ranges from AUD1225 to AUD1425 including taxes in business class.

What needs to also be considered is the dates in play.

Given QF uses married segment control, say you bought a SYD/SIN return on QF. This may only sell into D class for a SYD/SIN origin destination (much more $$). However, if you do a through-fare connecting to UL, then it may offer you I class. If you combine a QF D fare to SIN with a UL I fare SIN/MLE it comes out more expensive than an I fare the entire way on a single ticket. This is what I was ultimately getting at.

 

[amaroo]

You can be exempted from US and ZP tax on that itinerary through a TA... $100+ AUD worth of it too.

How likely is it that a TA will get near that price? Obviously, I need to secure P class bookings to make the SC add up.