Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

[Pushka]

And Sen. Minchin was Mr Happy?

At least he had expressions. You get nothing from Wong.

 

[cove]

Now let me see:
Ruddy hands you $900 and it only costs you $600 a year to pay it back.
Thank you Penny , Julia and Kevin.

 

[Danger]

There is speculation that Abbott will again move a motion of no confidence in the Gillard Government.

The Coalition currently commands 72 seats in the 150 seat House of Representatives. The ALP holds 70 including the Greens MP, Adam Bandt (plus a further seat held by the Speaker who, by convention, does not vote except in the event of a tie). This leaves the six remaining members: Windsor, Oakeshott, Katter, Thomson, Wilkie and Slipper. The Coalition requires four of them to pass their motion while the Government requires five (71 (excluding the Speaker) plus five).

Senator Barnaby Joyce's decision to run against Windsor in the seat of New England means it's in Windsor's interest to have an election sooner rather than later. The longer it goes on the more opportunity Joyce has of improving his profile, meaning his vote would be likely to go Abbott's way. This brings the 'Coalition's numbers to 73, needing three more of the remaining five.

I suspect Slipper would vote with the Government, purely to prolong his benefits as the chances of him being re-elected must be about as likely as Emirates flying domestically in Australia. The Government then has 72 votes to the Coalition's 73.

Katter would likely also vote with the Government as he hasn't had the time to roll out his candidates and spruik his platform.

Coalition: 73. Government: 73.

If I had to guess I'd say Thomson would side with the Goverment because it prolongs his salary (to pay the legal bills) and the Coalition has certainly done him no favours.

Coalition: 73. Government: 74.

That leaves Wilkie and Oakeshott (the remaining member being the Speaker). The Government requires both in order to cling to power while the Coalition needs both, plus another (already theoretically determined, above) to carry their motion.

If the motion was carried and the Government loses the confidence of the House, Gillard would have no choice but to report the vote to the Governor General and advise her that she no longer has the numbers to command a majority on the floor. The Governor General would summon Abbott and ask whether he has majority support. If he believes he does, which an upheld vote of no confidence would seemingly suggest, the Governor General would invite him to form Government immediately. Abbott would then ask her to prorogue parliament and advise of a general election, likely in August. The new Coalition Government would immediately enter caretaker mode.

Obviously, there remains a lot of ifs and buts in the scenario.

 

[james4321]

There is speculation that Abbott will again move a motion of no confidence in the Gillard Government.



If the motion was carried and the Government loses the confidence of the House, Gillard would have no choice but to report the vote to the Governor General and advise her that she no longer has the numbers to command a majority on the floor. The Governor General would summon Abbott and ask whether he has majority support. If he believes he does, which an upheld vote of no confidence would seemingly suggest, the Governor General would invite him to form Government immediately. Abbott would then ask her to prorogue parliament and advise of a general election, likely in August. The new Coalition Government would immediately enter caretaker mode.

If that happen s then God help us all !!!

 

[Skyring]

There is speculation that Abbott will again move a motion of no confidence in the Gillard Government.

The Coalition currently commands 72 seats in the 150 seat House of Representatives. The ALP holds 70 includnig the Greens MP, Adam Bandt (plus a further seat held by the Speaker who, by convention, does not vote except in the event of a tie). This leaves the six remaining members: Windsor, Oakeshott, Katter, Thompson, Wilkie and Slipper. The Coalition requires four of them to pass their motion while the Government requires five (71 (excluding the Speaker) plus five).

A lot of speculation there. A successful motion of no-confidence in the Gillard government might just mean that Gillard resigns and some other ALP figure steps up.

I wouldn't count on the Independents to support the motion as described above. Except Katter, as per 2010 and possibly Wilkie, as he has good reason to be sore at Gillard, who broke her agreement with him. Thomson remains an ALP lackey because he has no friends anywhere else. Windsor and Oakeshott and Slipper, who knows?

The farce will play out. It's all rather sickening to see the elegant framework of Federation and machinery of government established around 1900 so debased that we have a trough full of scoundrels doing their best to mislead the voters. Robert Garran and Edmund Barton would be appalled. Henry Parkes less so.

The lengths to which Gillard has gone in order to cling to power are well beyond what is expected of any honourable leader. How a government which depends on Thomson's vote to survive can have any claim to moral high ground is beyond me. If they were honest, they'd just laugh and admit they are in it for the money and the perks, thanks very much taxpayers.

 

[lovestotravel]

So interest rates are down another 0.25%

Now let's see how both the ALP and LIBs spin this to their own favour

Low interest rates are not a sign of a healthy economy, however both sides have used low interest rates to attract voters

 

[drron]

So interest rates are down another 0.25%

Now let's see how both the ALP and LIBs spin this to their own favour

Low interest rates are not a sign of a healthy economy, however both sides have used low interest rates to attract voters

Well low interest rates dont attract this voter.Self funded retirees take another hint.Almost certain more of them will now qualify for the aged pension.So not all good news.

 

[lovestotravel]

Well low interest rates dont attract this voter.Self funded retirees take another hint.Almost certain more of them will now qualify for the aged pension.So not all good news.

Of course it's not good news, and here it is already!

Swan welcomes RBA rate cut

Treasurer Wayne Swan says the central bank's decision to cut interest rates will help households and business by delivering "big" savings on borrowings.

Mr Swan says the RBA's decision to cut the cash interest rate to 2.75 per cent, from three per cent, means rates are now lower under Labor than under the former Howard coalition government.


A family with a $300,000 mortgage is now paying $5500 a year less than in 2007, when the Howard government left office.

 

[medhead]

Woohoo. Gotta love $5000 saved from my interest bill.

 

[lovestotravel]

Woohoo. Gotta love $5000 saved from my interest bill.

More cash to spend on a 3D TV and DVD's

 

[medhead]

More cash to spend on a 3D TV and DVD's

Funny you say that, the kids DVD player is broken....

 

[Sprucegoose]

A lot of speculation there. A successful motion of no-confidence in the Gillard government might just mean that Gillard resigns and some other ALP figure steps up.

I wouldn't count on the Independents to support the motion as described above. Except Katter, as per 2010 and possibly Wilkie, as he has good reason to be sore at Gillard, who broke her agreement with him. Thomson remains an ALP lackey because he has no friends anywhere else. Windsor and Oakeshott and Slipper, who knows?

The farce will play out. It's all rather sickening to see the elegant framework of Federation and machinery of government established around 1900 so debased that we have a trough full of scoundrels doing their best to mislead the voters. Robert Garran and Edmund Barton would be appalled. Henry Parkes less so.

The lengths to which Gillard has gone in order to cling to power are well beyond what is expected of any honourable leader. How a government which depends on Thomson's vote to survive can have any claim to moral high ground is beyond me. If they were honest, they'd just laugh and admit they are in it for the money and the perks, thanks very much taxpayers.

So interest rates are down another 0.25%

Now let's see how both the ALP and LIBs spin this to their own favour

Low interest rates are not a sign of a healthy economy, however both sides have used low interest rates to attract voters

No spin. No labor advantage. The electorate switched off a while ago.


If Gillard was the first chick to walk on mars she wouldn't be reelected. We just don't care anymore.

In fact mars would be a good place for the lying battle axe.

 

[drron]

Things are going downhill fast if we believe the senior members of this government.
21/4-a $7.5 billion shortfall in revenue.Wayne Swan.
29/4-a $12 billion shortfall in revenue.Julia Gillard.
7/5-A $17 billion shortfall in revenue.Penny Wong.

So Australia is losing $5 billion in revenue each week.
Last one to leave please turn the lights out.

 

[Pukka]

Something wrong with this country if the uber rich can pay no tax.

Millionaires snub taxman

This is the relevant paragraph in that article

The tax statistics show that 99.3 per cent of Australia's income millionaires did pay tax in 2010-11, and 98.9 per cent of them paid a lot of tax: $8.74 billion between them. Those 0.1 per cent of all taxpayers paid almost 10 per cent of all income tax.

The ones that didn't pay tax were claiming losses from previous years.

So even the Age admits that 0.1% of taxpayers paid 10% of ALL INCOME TAX

Not such a good leftie whinge is it when you look at the facts but I guess you think they should pay 20%

 

[Pukka]

Things are going downhill fast if we believe the senior members of this government.
21/4-a $7.5 billion shortfall in revenue.Wayne Swan.
29/4-a $12 billion shortfall in revenue.Julia Gillard.
7/5-A $17 billion shortfall in revenue.Penny Wong.

So Australia is losing $5 billion in revenue each week.
Last one to leave please turn the lights out.

Not to worry Julia says 12 Billion is only like a small mortgage & she's never lied in her life about anything

 

[Pushka]

It's now 17 billion. They just lost 5 billion in a week. How does this government even dare show their face.

 

[Pukka]

Julia tweeted this at 11:19am today

@JuliaGillard: .@DanSmailes We won't put jobs at risk by chasing the additional $12bn revenue writedown this year with harsh cuts. 3/3 #QandA #TeamJG

So you mean they've lost another $5Billion since lunchtime!!

That's just careless lol

 

[The Rok]

What's a couple of billion between friends.

Besides, it's like having a mortgage of $10k on a $100k property. It's nothing...... Until your unemployed that is.

 

[Pushka]

What's a couple of billion between friends.

Besides, it's like having a mortgage of $10k on a $100k property. It's nothing...... Until your unemployed that is.

I'm guessing that's going to be the case for the majority of the current government. Shame for us about their pension though.

 

[Pukka]

What's a couple of billion between friends.

Besides, it's like having a mortgage of $10k on a $100k property. It's nothing...... Until your unemployed that is.

So nothing to worry about until September when it gets repossessed then