Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

[Pukka]

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Been there - done that........see above.

FWIW now that Gillard has been thrown in the dump bin - they probably will need to change leaders to ensure a coalition victory!

LIbs still 1.25 with the bookies for outright victory so I suppose they aren't that impressed with super Kevin Rudd.

I know people will scoff but these guys make their money by getting it right most of the time. They're certainly not charities.

Personally I hope they are spot on I can't believe that Australia will be stupid enough to think that everything has changed because we have a recycled PM

 

[james4321]

LI can't believe that Australia will be stupid enough to think that everything has changed because we have a recycled PM

I think that what has changed is that the focus is changing to Abbott (lack of?) policies. He can no longer get away with just sitting back and letting the media distribute his moronic slogans.

 

[drron]

I think that what has changed is that the focus is changing to Abbott (lack of?) policies. He can no longer get away with just sitting back and letting the media distribute his moronic slogans.

And Kevin is different with his lack of policies?

 

[Sprucegoose]

What was the old catch cry .. Vote early and vote often comrade.

Fred Daly. The former father of the house is attributed to that quote.

 

[amaroo]

LIbs still 1.25 with the bookies for outright victory so I suppose they aren't that impressed with super Kevin Rudd.

I know people will scoff but these guys make their money by getting it right most of the time. They're certainly not charities.

Personally I hope they are spot on I can't believe that Australia will be stupid enough to think that everything has changed because we have a recycled PM

You can never underestimate the electorate.

We're becoming focused on popularity rather than substance/policy/experience/content. In the new world - if you're nor popular.....you're not in the race.

 

[Sprucegoose]

I think that what has changed is that the focus is changing to Abbott (lack of?) policies. He can no longer get away with just sitting back and letting the media distribute his moronic slogans.

More like the 45000 people Rudd has let through the back door and the dead kids doing the insulation will be the focus

Need a new hospital ? Well you can't have one as the refugees cost $3b a year to support. That's what it gets down to

 

[BadgerBoi]

You can never underestimate the electorate.

We're becoming focused on popularity rather than substance/policy/experience/content. In the new world - if you're nor popular.....you're not in the race.

We certainly can't criticise the coalition's policies, can we.

 

[amaroo]

We certainly can't criticise the coalition's policies, can we.

Depends on your point of view........some people posting here knock themselves out trying.

 

[BadgerBoi]

Depends on your point of view........some people posting here knock themselves out trying.

Can't say I've seen that. After all, a pamphlet and some three word slogans aren't really worth knocking yourself out for.

 

[amaroo]

Can't say I've seen that.

Maybe, try reading a few posts

 

[Moody]

... Need a new hospital ? Well you can't have one as the refugees cost $3b a year to support. That's what it gets down to ...

Too true.... and BTW - where is Pauline these days? Would have thought the rednecks' poster girl would be back in the mix by now.

 

[whatmeworry]

More like the 45000 people Rudd has let through the back door and the dead kids doing the insulation will be the focus

Need a new hospital ? Well you can't have one as the refugees cost $3b a year to support. That's what it gets down to

That is a bloody distasteful comment to mention the poor individuals that passed on!

You want to talk about the back door into Australia? Then mention the gaping wide hole John Howard and co made with tertiary education and 457 visas (and similar) let into Australia to disadvantage Australian workers. How many people are awarded refugee status in Australia compared to how many get into Australia on some bull@#$t qualification or bulls#$t job shortage?

John Howard opened up the doors to cheap labour in one form or another but now the Liberals are now playing the red neck feral bogan Aussie oi oi oi card?

 

[Skyring]

John Howard opened up the doors to cheap labour in one form or another but now the Liberals are now playing the red neck feral bogan Aussie oi oi oi card?

No. The Protectionist/Free Trade debate is universal over every country, every century. If the people coming in are playing by the rules we set, it's not a problem. we can always change the rules through the normal democratic processes. Until then, it's just a political discussion.

But when people arrive in their thousands without documentation or health checks or customs inspections or advance notice, then we have a problem that isn't easily or quickly solved and we can't afford to ignore.

We are spending a great deal of money on illegal arrivals. The government is being distracted, the community is polarised, and people are dying because the people smugglers don't care about safety standards.

I don't really care that much about importing cheap labour. It's not as severe a problem as vulnerable people dying in their hundreds, is it?

John Howard had that firmly under control. That problem was solved. Rudd gave the green light to people smugglers and Gillard waved them in. Going by the evidence. How many thousands have arrived this year already? And how many hundreds have died trying?

 

[Skyring]

LIbs still 1.25 with the bookies for outright victory so I suppose they aren't that impressed with super Kevin Rudd.

I know people will scoff but these guys make their money by getting it right most of the time. They're certainly not charities.

Personally I hope they are spot on I can't believe that Australia will be stupid enough to think that everything has changed because we have a recycled PM

I think the voters are glad that Rudd got rid of Gillard. He did what they were thinking. That problem is solved.

But now we are back in 2010. Rudd's in the same position in the polls, Abbott likewise. The big difference is that Abbott has grown in the job and leads a united team. And Rudd has displayed the most appalling behaviour in the interim and nobody can pretend that the ALP is solidly behind him.

Yeah, sure, we've got the usual partisan figures talking up their team and dissing the other side. Nothing new there and you'd be a mug to depend on one-eyed voices for your information.

Listen to the experts who make their money by being objective. The bookies, for one thing. The experienced political journos for another.

 

[Skyring]

I think that what has changed is that the focus is changing to Abbott (lack of?) policies. He can no longer get away with just sitting back and letting the media distribute his moronic slogans.

Um, if you read the papers it's actually Rudd's policies - or lack thereof - that is occupying the attention of the commentators.

As for "moronic slogans", we've all had them thrown at us. "Moving forward together", "Working family values", "Clean energy future". Meaningless soundbites that get thrown into every speech until we are heartily sick of them. Not delivered by morons, but certainly aimed at morons.

 

[Skyring]

What ludicrous questions. If you don't even know the problem with abbott's behaviours why'd you even mention it? As you said using public money for private business. Thomson did not use public money for private business. The two situations are not comparable at all. But then I guess you have an agenda in trying to confuse the 2 situations.

It's not the details that are identical. Nobody thinks that.

It's the behaviour that differs. Tony Abbott paid money back when it was pointed out that he shouldn't have spent it.

Craig Thomson lies and blusters and ducks his responsibilities.

 

[Skyring]

FWIW now that Gillard has been thrown in the dump bin - they probably will need to change leaders to ensure a coalition victory!

Why on earth would they do that? Abbott has twice destroyed a Prime Minister. Turnbull never came close.

Over the past three years, the people talking about Rudd challenging Gillard came mainly from the Labor side. Rudd's supporters talking up his chances, Gillard's side talking him down. We just had three years of it - you must have noticed.

The people talking about Turnbull taking on Abbott have come from outside the Coalition. No Liberal, not even Turnbull, was leaking stories to the press. There was no story.

Now, if the Coalition were in the same situation that Gillard had taken Labor to, where an electoral wipeout was certain and a hated leader could be replaced by a popular one, then there might be something in it.

What are the bookies saying about Turnbull as the next PM?

 

[medhead]

It's not the details that are identical. Nobody thinks that.

It's the behaviour that differs. Tony Abbott paid money back when it was pointed out that he shouldn't have spent it.

Craig Thomson lies and blusters and ducks his responsibilities.

You're still missing the point. The HSU may very well have authorised him to spend the money as he did. Abbott had no such authority. That's the key difference. Well beside HSU funds not being public money.

 

[medhead]

Why on earth would they do that? Abbott has twice destroyed a Prime Minister. Turnbull never came close.

twice? You give Abbott too much credit. Gillard was was an own goal, booted by Rudd.

 

[amaroo]

Why on earth would they do that?

Only a week ago you were doubting suggestions that the LIBS will be fighting poor polling and the start of intense media focus on leadership. I'm pretty comfortable all of this will continue to grow and the tension will bubble along and rise over the coming weeks/months.

Democracy and a media with nothing better to do is a deadly mix.