Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

[BadgerBoi]

I think Eddie Obeid wins that race

I don't actually recall Eddie Obeid's prime ministership.

 

[Pukka]

I don't actually recall Eddie Obeid's prime ministership.

I was talking about using Australia as their own personal piggy bank but apparently NSW isn't part of Australia

 

[Pushka]

Obeids deeds will impact around 2% in NSW which is where Gillard started campaigning the day or so after she announced the election date but that didn't mean the campaigning would start.

 

[medhead]

I was talking about using Australia as their own personal piggy bank but apparently NSW isn't part of Australia

And they let you vote. :shock: sometime logic is so hard, I should have broken it down in the small steps. Last time I checked Australia consisted of vic, sa, wa, qld, NT, act, TAs, nsw and various other territories. Australia is much more than just nsw. That does not mean nsw is not part of Australia. Using nsw as a personal piggy bank is not the same as using Australia as such.

 

[Hvr]

<snip>.

Interesting that Rudd has never called an election. In 2006 he was expected to return from holidays fresh for an early 2007 election. He would have won if he had gone then. Instead he sat on his hands, did nothing and watched as the polls dropped to the point that Gillard declared that his government had lost its way and took over.

<snip>

Actually Howard was PM in 2006 and got to choose the election date in late 2007 when Rudd got elected and Howard was the second PM to lose his seat at an election.

 

[serfty]

I was talking about using Australia as their own personal piggy bank but apparently NSW isn't part of Australia

Qantas route changes over the last decades have led me to think they believe NSW IS Australia!

 

[Pukka]

And they let you vote. :shock: sometime logic is so hard, I should have broken it down in the small steps. Last time I checked Australia consisted of vic, sa, wa, qld, NT, act, TAs, nsw and various other territories. Australia is much more than just nsw. That does not mean nsw is not part of Australia. Using nsw as a personal piggy bank is not the same as using Australia as such.

Oh now I see so if you buy a house In NSW you're not buying a house in Australia just a house in NSW.

Don't bother with your vote by the way because they'll lose anyway

 

[Skyring]

Actually Howard was PM in 2006 and got to choose the election date in late 2007 when Rudd got elected and Howard was the second PM to lose his seat at an election.

Of course. I meant 2009/2010. Hope I didn't confuse too many people! I knew what I meant - it just didn't come out right!

Thanks.

 

[moa999]

meh, so did that old fraud John Howard. Nobody viewed Australia as his own personal piggy bank the way Howard did.

Which was why Howard ran up 12 straight surpluses,
whereas Rudd/ Gillard just spend us into deficit and oblivion.

 

[medhead]

Oh now I see so if you buy a house In NSW you're not buying a house in Australia just a house in NSW.

Don't bother with your vote by the way because they'll lose anyway

<redacted> I did not say NSW wasn't part of Australia! I have no idea why you continue with your ludicrous comments. I wonder if you can understand set theory. NSW is a subset of Australia. That means it is a separate but included part of Australia. You've been caught out, time to pull your head in.

 

[medhead]

Which was why Howard ran up 12 straight surpluses,
whereas Rudd/ Gillard just spend us into deficit and oblivion.

1996 to 2007 is like 11 years. Wasting the benefits of an economic boom is hardly the sign of good government even if you run a surplus. Have we forgotten the massive queue of ships off the east coast of Australia all due to lack of investment in infrastructure?

 

[11sjw]

1996 to 2007 is like 11 years. Wasting the benefits of an economic boom is hardly the sign of good government even if you run a surplus. Have we forgotten the massive queue of ships of the east coast of Australia all due to lack of investment in infrastructure?

Exactly, but apparently we should have spent it on a high speed passenger rail along the east coast. Infrastructure associated with industry around the country should've been priority 1 IMO.

 

[medhead]

Exactly, but apparently we should have spent it on a high speed passenger rail along the east coast. Infrastructure associated with industry around the country should've been priority 1 IMO.

I tend to agree that high speed rail between SYD and CBR and MEL and ADL would have the best chance of being practically better than flying. So I would include that as an option. However, higher priority would go to industry. The coal/minerals export ports, the Pacific highway, freight rail link in Sydney to port botany, are just 3 of the infrastructure gaps that were raised during Howard's term.

 

[drsmithy]

Which was why Howard ran up 12 straight surpluses,
whereas Rudd/ Gillard just spend us into deficit and oblivion.

Easy to run up surpluses in great economic conditions when you're also in a resources boom and hocking off national infrastructure.

The drover's dog could have run surpluses when Howard was.

And let's not forget what we have to show for all those surpluses - unsustainably low tax levels, middle and upper classes addicted to entitlements like baby bonuses and concessional CGT rates, and crippling debt from one of the biggest real estate bubbles in the world.

The missed opportunity for this country the Howard years represent is mind-boggling.

 

[Skyring]

Have we forgotten the massive queue of ships off the east coast of Australia all due to lack of investment in infrastructure?

They were waiting for the school halls?

 

[BadgerBoi]

Which was why Howard ran up 12 straight surpluses,
whereas Rudd/ Gillard just spend us into deficit and oblivion.

A team of trained monkeys could have run surpluses during Uncle Arthur's era. Which is pretty much the case, come to think of it.

 

[serfty]

Look like a the wheels are in motion to officially call a the Federal election as I type.

 

[cove]

Spending the first $250 billion was the hardest.
Kev is in with the GG now

 

[serfty]

Federal Election Sept 7, 2013 - Discussion and Comments

Look like a the wheels are in motion to officially call a the Federal election as I type.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd calls September 7 federal election - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)


Live blog: Prime Minister Kevin Rudd calls September 7 election - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

 

[11sjw]

I tend to agree that high speed rail between SYD and CBR and MEL and ADL would have the best chance of being practically better than flying. So I would include that as an option. However, higher priority would go to industry. The coal/minerals export ports, the Pacific highway, freight rail link in Sydney to port botany, are just 3 of the infrastructure gaps that were raised during Howard's term.

Given what Iron Ore exports were doing I'd suggest those ports and supporting infrastructure could've been added to the list as well. Given the way Oakajee died it could've been sorted and generating an income by now as well.