Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

[Rallo]

Anyone know what planes Kevin Rudd , Tony Abbott and the media are flying around in. Last week there were a few photos of a RAAF C17 and today Abbott camp was on a Alliance (looked like a Foker) up north in WA.

Wouldn't the PM normally ride in the RAAF 737 BBJ ?

Rudd is in Adelaide arrived in BBJ.

 

[Sprucegoose]

Rudd's campaign team is praying steadily for this.

The horror stories are coming in thick and strong. The Rudd plane makes up its own story in flight and the campaign headquarters learns about it when they watch the news.

Yep it's the same old KRUDD....

 

[mavrick9]

Rudd is in Adelaide arrived in BBJ.

Abbott leaves Cloudbreak mine on a RAAF 737
https://twitter.com/_AdamTodd/status/368659513827524609/photo/1

Not he has a 737 at his call, no more Qantas flights.
No Cookies | Herald Sun

You can track the RAAF 737 BBJ's here

A36-001 - Royal Australian Air Force - Flightradar24

A36-002 - Royal Australian Air Force - Flightradar24

 

[Skyring]

Rudd leads Labor support in death spiral. Greens go down on latest poll. Fresh Newspoll makes Abbott's underdog claim hard to swallow. Gillard not responding to calls for comment.

 

[Skyring]

Need some guidance here. After promising a positive campaign, Rudd's massive negative ad blitz includes the slogan "Cuts, cuts, cuts!"

My question to the group is whether this is a Three Word Slogan(™KR) or a One Word Slogan repeated twice?

 

[medhead]

Another Rudd thought bubble surprises everyone - including Cabinet.

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Yeah the Murdoch press. Because they're balanced in their reporting. Exhibit one Greg Sheridan's bs.

 

[Skyring]

Yeah the Murdoch press. Because they're balanced in their reporting. Exhibit one Greg Sheridan's bs.

Ah yes. It's the bloody media bias, not Rudd thinking up stupid policies on the fly.

 

[Pushka]

I suspect that unless the polls start to improve for Rudd the media are in for a field day. I'm thinking that with increased frustration in getting traction with the voters will result in more internal leaks of interesting behaviours that haven't changed.

 

[The Rok]

I think it pretty safe to assume I'll be able to salary sacrifice that Audi S4 I have been looking at in September.

 

[serfty]

...
My question to the group is whether this is a Three Word Slogan(™KR) or a One Word Slogan repeated twice?

It's a one word slogan- cubed ... Cuts³

I suspect he is really only preaching to the Labor faithful.

 

[Skyring]

It's a one word slogan- cubed ... Cuts³

I suspect he is really only preaching to the Labor faithful.

He's worried they'll vote Green.

 

[medhead]

Looks like Abbott has given us an unfunded, half baked parental leave policy that has not be agree with the States with $1 billion black hole.

Can't wait to read all the excuses from those here who attack the ALP for doing the same.

Ah yes. It's the bloody media bias, not Rudd thinking up stupid policies on the fly.

Read Greg Sheridan opinion piece from last Friday or the weekend oz. a comparison of Abbott and Rudd, his 2 best mates, that is little more that a blatant attack piece. He accuses Rudd of at least 3 things that could equally apply to Abbott. If you think news limited isn't on a campaign you'd have to have rocks in your head.

Not to mention the irony of you post, considering what we can guess of your opinion about Aunty.

 

[Skyring]

Not to mention the irony of you post, considering what we can guess of your opinion about Aunty.

LOL! You guess wrong. I find the ABC to be pretty fair in its coverage.

And if you think I support Abbott's parental leave scheme, you are dead wrong.

It encourages population increase, and I happen to think that our cities are already well stretched. Ask anyone living in a major city fringe. Not to mention the environmental impact.

Paying high-income earners high PL benefits kinda levels the playing field if one puts child production as a national imperative, but I'd prefer to see it at a flatter rate. It looks a lot like welfare for those who don't need it.

The big positive, in my eyes, is that it channels more resources to a class of people who are historically disadvantaged, and even now lag behind in social outcomes: women.

But having said all of the above, this sort of thing is something that really needs consensus. It's too big a structural change to be a by-product of Rudd's unpopularity.

Not that it will change my vote - I'll still vote independent.

 

[11sjw]

I would love to know where the money for Abbott's Maternity Leave Plan is coming from. Then again I've been wondering about that for most of the 10 sec grabs these two have been sprouting recently.

 

[Skyring]

I would love to know where the money for Abbott's Maternity Leave Plan is coming from. Then again I've been wondering about that for most of the 10 sec grabs these two have been sprouting recently.

It's the elephant in the room. They both sidestepped the question in Thuh Great Debate.

 

[amaroo]

I would love to know where the money for Abbott's Maternity Leave Plan is coming from.

Yeah, I'm not a supporter of this cash handout. Poor policy IMO.

 

[Hvr]

I think it pretty safe to assume I'll be able to salary sacrifice that Audi S4 I have been looking at in September.

I reckon you're right.

I wonder how many people will see the hypocrisy of Liberal voters whinging about the 'huge debt' whilst they receive massive welfare payments?

 

[Skyring]

Greg Sheridan opinion piece from last Friday or the weekend oz. a comparison of Abbott and Rudd, his 2 best mates, that is little more that a blatant attack piece. He accuses Rudd of at least 3 things that could equally apply to Abbott. If you think news limited isn't on a campaign you'd have to have rocks in your head.

I read that piece. A very thoughtful and emotional opinion. Nevertheless, it doesn't mean that Rudd should be let go without criticism. He has the experience of being Prime Minister, and he has made a hash of it. He also lacks a few very important qualifications for national leadership, namely leadership skills and trustworthiness.

Of course News Ltd is on a campaign to remove what they see as an incompetent government. Good on them. I'm always happy to see government ineptitude exposed. Not for the sake of mindless criticism, but because our representatives shouldn't be allowed to go without scrutiny.

"He accuses Rudd of at least 3 things that could equally apply to Abbott." you say. Well, let's discuss them.

 

[Pushka]

Looks like Abbott has given us an unfunded, half baked parental leave policy that has not be agree with the States with $1 billion black hole.

I have absolutely no argument with you on this one and have in fact written to our current Federal Liberal Minister that I am in disagreement with this policy based on current rates of payment. It is ludicrous.

There, bet that stunned ya!

 

[medhead]

LOL! You guess wrong. I find the ABC to be pretty fair in its coverage.

And if you think I support Abbott's parental leave scheme, you are dead wrong.

It encourages population increase, and I happen to think that our cities are already well stretched. Ask anyone living in a major city fringe. Not to mention the environmental impact.

Paying high-income earners high PL benefits kinda levels the playing field if one puts child production as a national imperative, but I'd prefer to see it at a flatter rate. It looks a lot like welfare for those who don't need it.

The big positive, in my eyes, is that it channels more resources to a class of people who are historically disadvantaged, and even now lag behind in social outcomes: women.

But having said all of the above, this sort of thing is something that really needs consensus. It's too big a structural change to be a by-product of Rudd's unpopularity.

Not that it will change my vote - I'll still vote independent.

Population growth is probably not a bad thing. I recently read a bit of an analysis of Abbott's 2 million jobs plan in the Oz business section recently. It made 2 points.

1. Jobs growth for the last decade was 2.2 million - so Abbott has promise to grow jobs at the current historical rate.
2. Maintaining that historical grow might be hard as the baby boomer peak moves into retirement. So we'll probably have to import people or otherwise grow the workforce to keep up with current growth.

I agree that parental leave is a good thing for women. But I think Abbott's version is too expensive. I was mainly commenting about the states not being signed up to the leave scheme. Announcing policy before its finalised has been a constant criticism of the current government. But I also wonder about imposing a 1.5% levy that is matched by a tax cut. Precisely the sort of thing that is held against the current government.

I just want to known what difference Abbott is offering. Because so far he is the same as Rudd. Either he's lying or he offers the same as the current government. So way change?