Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

[medhead]

Kevin, FGS, brevity is next to Godliness. Stop padding your responses and answer the question.

Woo hoo, Kevin gets into a religious debate .

Woah, then he has a go at my industry. Sorry, you lost me - but understand you never had me.

You're fighting a lost campaign Kev.

Fixed that for you.

Really, it can all come down to Rudd's basic "Me Too" - very similar to 2007 in policy announcements/changes.

Kev07 ≈ John; now Kev13 ≈ Tony.

So discard policy, discard personality, it's who may be better to govern?

I just look at the inability of the government to get their budgets correct for the last 6 years.

Except its tony do the me too in this case. Challenger copying the current PM, otherwise the analogy fails.

 

[amaroo]

No, the true definition of rabid is these sort of snide attacks when someone questions your beliefs. What you're missing is I'm questioning your view. I'm not defending Rudd at all. I'm questioning your view that Abbott provides a viable alternative. I'm question your view by pointing out the hypocrisy in Abbott's statements. Instead of address his failings you continue to response with distraction and false accusation.

It's a very simple question. How can you support Abbott's plan to introduce a deposit tax when you castigated Rudd for proposing to do the same? How can you claim the current government is an economic disaster, but support excessive, unfunded spending by Abbott on his PPL policy? How can you claim to believe in the Liberal ideal of the market but then support Direct Action?

You have discussed these issues you've just attacked anyone who raises the Abbott's obvious faults.

Again, go and read the posts. If you decide to do so - you'll see the folly of some of your posts.

I haven't raised any of the points in your second paragraph.....you seem to like arguing with your own points. Knock yourself out - just don't drag me or anyone else into your perverse kindergarten.

It's as simple as this....I'm happy with the likely election result - you are not!

No dramas, I don't give a rats who you vote for.

 

[amaroo]

He probably realises that but I guess at least he turned up, disappointed not to see both leaders there.

Q, why would anyone interested in winning turn up to a show that's only going to work in favour of the bloke that has nothing to lose?

After two peoples forums - another one isn't going to make any difference.

 

[Rallo]

Q, why would anyone interested in winning turn up to a show that's only going to work in favour of the bloke that has nothing to lose?

After two peoples forums - another one isn't going to make any difference.

He has managed to avoid the show for 1100 days so more about his ability I would think.

 

[BadgerBoi]

Well now I know why we cant let boat people in according to Fiona Scott Liberal candidate for Sydney it is the fear they will make the traffic worse thus making Mums late for childcare , if that is the standard of politician we get nowadays God help us all.That goes for both sides of politics.

For the record, Scott is the candidate for Lindsay, not for Sydney. Sean O'Connor is standing for the seat of Sydney. I can't comment on the sex appeal of either of them, but Sean appears to be passionately interested in infrastructure bottlenecks, whatever that might mean.

 

[cove]

We voted in London this morning and we were about 100 th in line at Australia House. Saw a previous State Premier there and a retired Senator in our line.

 

[drron]

Well Medhead I have just read the last 80 posts and I see from your comments that you are a rabid anti TA zealot.

Just maybe people have stopped answering your questions because they realise that you will never be satisfied with any answer they give.

 

[Skyring]

You know how it is when you've had a long and difficult night, you just want to get some sleep after being up and down with the wog, noisy children and the party next door. Only an hour before dawn, everything's quiet and suddenly there's a possum in the roof, digging away at a loose tile.

Well, here's the possum, dropping a nice little turd in Albo's beer.

Pete, up before dawn

 

[Skyring]

...Sean appears to be passionately interested in infrastructure bottlenecks, whatever that might mean.

It's the roadworks on the freeway, the busy intersection, the only bridge over the river, the Suez Canal. Places where the flow slows and stops when the demand is heavy enough. Every commuter knows the place.

When I was a cabbie, getting people to and from Canberra Airport, it was the roundabout at the start of the Monaro Highway. At peak hour, there were conflicting traffic flows, the roundabout would choke up, and nobody moved. Apart from my increasingly frantic passengers fidgetting in their seats watching the meter ticking cheerfully away.

It took bloody years to fix the problem, and with the new roadworks it's probably back.

Labor's fault - they built the new satellite town of Gungahlin without adequate roads. They knew exactly how many houses and flats they had approved, they knew there was bugger all employment in the new town centre, and all those people in all those houses would have to travel in and out via a couple of single-lane roads.

But hey, this is a familiar scenario in every capital city where the population is increasing and the government skimps on roads and public transport - infrastructure.

 

[Skyring]

No, the true definition of rabid is these sort of snide attacks when someone questions your beliefs.

Um, no.

You've got a valid point - Abbott is skating in when he could be rigorously spotlighted. You've got some questions that you see as vital, and nobody's engaging.

In my experience, 99% of the population is grumpy with the government at any time over some matter that is important to them. Doesn't matter about the party or the issue - there's always something. Maybe it's the traffic lights at the end of the street, maybe it's the war, maybe whatever. They grump and they grumble, but by and large they put up with it.

And there's about 1% of the population that doesn't just shrug and whinge a little. They go out and single-mindedly complain, write letters to the editor, join lobby groups, mount midnight raids on chooksheds, throw paintbombs at offices and incite revolt amongst the peasantry. These are the rabid.

I like to think that here we are friends, grumbling about the policies and the politicians we don't like, just as we grumble about booking websites and not enough champagne in the lounges or priority boarding forcing us to line up and mingle with our fellow travellers. The horror.

Gillard stuffed up on a few things, Rudd stuffed up on a few things, Abbott will stuff up on a few things. Most of us grumble a bit, but we see getting on with life, enjoying our life in this wonderful nation, as more important than making our lives a misery stressing over things we can't change.

These political parties of ours - few of us belong to them, just like we don't belong to football teams - we cheer them on, we hurl good-natured abuse at the supporters of the other side, and we enjoy ourselves. We grumble about the shortcomings of the people we have to vote for, but we don't put our names forward as candidates.

So why are we getting upset and hot under the collar here in a very limited forum? There's only about a dozen of us here, scattered around the nation in different electorates. Nothing we do or say here will have any effect on the election. Just our own emotions. Choose happiness, I say.

 

[Skyring]

Re: Where will you be election day (September 14th)

Here's some laudable Rudd behaviour: his support of marriage equality.

 

[amaroo]

He has managed to avoid the show for 1100 days so more about his ability I would think.

Correct. Whoever wins come Saturday will have the ability stakes covered.

 

[Mal]

We voted in London this morning and we were about 100 th in line at Australia House. Saw a previous State Premier there and a retired Senator in our line.

Have to head there some time this week to drop off my postal vote. Hope the queues are short!

 

[Mal]

Re: Where will you be election day (September 14th)

Here's some laudable Rudd behaviour: his support of marriage equality.

I don't disagree... But I still suspect that his support is only/mainly for political reasons.

 

[drsmithy]

Re: Where will you be election day (September 14th)

I don't disagree... But I still suspect that his support is only/mainly for political reasons.

I have more respect for someone supporting it for political reasons than opposing it for personal reasons.

 

[Mal]

Re: Where will you be election day (September 14th)

I have more respect for someone supporting it for political reasons than opposing it for personal reasons.

Interesting comment. So someone else who pretends that they care about a cause is better than someone who states their belief straight up?

 

[medhead]

Re: Where will you be election day (September 14th)

Interesting comment. So someone else who pretends that they care about a cause is better than someone who states their belief straight up?

Why is it hard to accept that Rudd changed his mind? If anything Abbott's personal position contradicts his claim to be a Christian. Christ's teachings are about acceptance and rejected the Old Testament. In any case I believe holds his view to gain votes, ie political reasons.

Finally, lets revisit your post but on a different issue. Say voting rights for people of certain races. A politically motivated view that all people can vote regardless of race is vastly better than the opposite personal view.

 

[drsmithy]

Re: Where will you be election day (September 14th)

Interesting comment. So someone else who pretends that they care about a cause is better than someone who states their belief straight up?

If Rudd is supporting marriage equality for political reasons, then he is he doing the right thing in his role as a representative of the people by supporting equality for all before the law. That is regardless of either his personal beliefs, the beliefs of his electorate or the beliefs of the entire country.

If he genuinely does oppose it personally, then all the more respect as he is recognising the greater good takes precedent over his own beliefs.

Same principle as "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend your right to say it".

The above reasoning depends on the issue, of course. Marriage equality is a pretty easy one since there's no moral or rational justification for opposing it.

 

[Pushka]

Re: Where will you be election day (September 14th)

So Julia's stand against equality in marriage showed what then? Remember her?

 

[drsmithy]

Re: Where will you be election day (September 14th)

So Julia's stand against equality in marriage showed what then? Remember her?

Uh, that she was opposed to marriage equality and therefore on the wrong side of the argument ?