Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

[medhead]

Before the digital lynch mob is finished I just thought I'd mention that possibly drron could be referring to changes to the medicare levy (NDIS), or changes to the Private Health Insurance Rebate, or bringing forward of company tax payments from quarterly to monthly (not a change in tax rates but a bringing forward of the revenue) or the cap on self education deductions. Thats before we even go to the very complex area of interactions between superannuation and retirement of whic I can't claim to be an expert.

If you pay the carbon tax through electricity bills and are not on a low income then the compensation is insufficient or absent for the high income earners, as opposed to the overcompensation that the lower income earners got.

Just a few things that spring to mind - although I won't claim to be an expert in drron's own tax situation!

That might mean something if even half of those measure had been out in place. As for the carbon tax that is NOT part of the tax return. It has also cost only $130 odd a year. The vast majority of increase in electricity has been from network costs. NOT TAX.

Finally drron is trying to claim that the amount of tax collected by a government as a whole is somehow only determined by his tax bill. It's a total ludicrous argument. He is cherry picking claims about his tax return or some number without using a comparable base. A recent example from my work was someone trying to compare the number of X-rays to a certain group of people per day. Trouble was they were digging the number of X-rays per person that had an X-ray. Not per total number of people in the particular group. A wrong measure and drron is similarly trying to use a wrong measure.

He is also the ultimate keyboard warrior when it suits him. Unfortunately, in this case he's just making assertions with any supporting evidence.

You mean like this - "Well, my tax rate is down so therefore that must mean that everyone is paying less tax now"

Yeah that is what drron is doing, except his tax take is up therefore every one else is up.

 

[Isochronous]

Re: Abbott in Government

The absence of a photo ID requirement at polling booths is a joke though. That should change.

 

[Pushka]

Re: Abbott in Government

I wasn't even asked if I'd voted before that day.

 

[medhead]

Re: Abbott in Government

The absence of a photo ID requirement at polling booths is a joke though. That should change.

Why? You can't vote if your name isn't on the electoral roll. If you vote twice that person is going to get caught. It's a joke to suggest photo ID is required.

 

[Pushka]

Re: Abbott in Government

Why? You can't vote if your name isn't on the electoral roll. If you vote twice that person is going to get caught. It's a joke to suggest photo ID is required.

What is the penalty in voting twice? Maybe it's worth the penalty to some in a very marginal electorate and could impact on who governs.

 

[Skyring]

Re: Abbott in Government

What is the penalty in voting twice? Maybe it's worth the penalty to some in a very marginal electorate and could impact on who governs.

It could, but the AEC has looked into voter fraud and it isn't a problem.

 

[JessicaTam]

Re: Abbott in Government

What is the penalty in voting twice? Maybe it's worth the penalty to some in a very marginal electorate and could impact on who governs.

I think the penalty for not voting is about $170

The penalty for making intentionally voting more than once is 60 penalty units and/or up to 12 months imprisonment. And that is per vote more than one!

An expensive vote, if you ask me.

Edit: a penalty unit is about $170

 

[drron]

That might mean something if even half of those measure had been out in place. As for the carbon tax that is NOT part of the tax return. It has also cost only $130 odd a year. The vast majority of increase in electricity has been from network costs. NOT TAX.

Finally drron is trying to claim that the amount of tax collected by a government as a whole is somehow only determined by his tax bill. It's a total ludicrous argument. He is cherry picking claims about his tax return or some number without using a comparable base. A recent example from my work was someone trying to compare the number of X-rays to a certain group of people per day. Trouble was they were digging the number of X-rays per person that had an X-ray. Not per total number of people in the particular group. A wrong measure and drron is similarly trying to use a wrong measure.

He is also the ultimate keyboard warrior when it suits him. Unfortunately, in this case he's just making assertions with any supporting evidence.



Yeah that is what drron is doing, except his tax take is up therefore every one else is up.

That is the biggest load of tripe you have ever written.
My last answer to you did say my proof is in the Budget papers and on the ABS site.
Total tax intake is up by more than inflation from 2007/08 until 2011/12 by more than inflation.
Now go and read it.
And the same sources say total Government expenditure Has gone up at approximately twice the rate of it's income.

Has absolutely nothing to do with my tax rate at all.I am amazed at the idiocy of those who think I must give my personal details.And anyone with an accounting background who thinks I should might study some ethics.Plus If they haven't worked out why my tax has changed over the term of the previous Rudd/Gillard governments shows their opinions on the matter are not worth listening to.

 

[Pushka]

Yeah that is what drron is doing, except his tax take is up therefore every one else is up.

So you agree he might be paying more tax now?

 

[medhead]

So you agree he might be paying more tax now?

It's irrelevant! One person paying more does not support his false claim that the most recent government was higher taxing than Howard's government or any other government.

 

[Pushka]

It's irrelevant! One person paying more does not support his false claim that the most recent government was higher taxing than Howard's government or any other government.

I believe that he has only ever discussed his personal assessment and not those of others. He wouldn't assume that what applies to him applies to everyone else. On the other hand, if his tax paid has increased then its also highly likely that others in the same position as he is, have also experienced an increase in tax paid. There is so much more to tax than tax tables. Otherwise we wouldn't need accountants.

 

[amaroo]

It's irrelevant! One person paying more does not support his false claim that the most recent government was higher taxing than Howard's government or any other government.

FWIW there's more than one!

 

[Pushka]

FWIW there's more than one!

And more than two.

 

[drron]

It's irrelevant! One person paying more does not support his false claim that the most recent government was higher taxing than Howard's government or any other government.

See post 6969 and stop lying.

 

[medhead]

See post 6969 and stop lying.

Sorry what is the alleged lie.
Your tax situation is irrelevant. Even you agree. = true.
One persons tax situation can never support your claim that this most recent government was higher taxing than Howard. That is also a true statement.

Fail the see the lie. I do see a personal attack however. No need to get personal just because I reject your measure for comparing tax burden due to its obvious flaws.

FWIW there's more than one!

And more than two.

Ok then 3 false claims. Fair enough.

 

[Sprucegoose]

Re: Abbott in Government

Why? You can't vote if your name isn't on the electoral roll. If you vote twice that person is going to get caught. It's a joke to suggest photo ID is required.

Its not that simple. I could vote as Medhead, at the booth next door to one youvoted at and not against my name twice.

Photo ID is the way to go

 

[amaroo]

Ok then 3 false claims. Fair enough.

LOL the new Government will soon see things right. It's like the dark clouds have lifted and the sun is shining again

About time this thread got the boot......RIP.

 

[Pukka]

LOL the new Government will soon see things right. It's like the dark clouds have lifted and the sun is shining again

About time this thread got the boot......RIP.

Awww can we not wait for the result of the dumb & dumber leadership contest

 

[drron]

Sorry what is the alleged lie.
Your tax situation is irrelevant. Even you agree. = true.
One persons tax situation can never support your claim that this most recent government was higher taxing than Howard. That is also a true statement.

Fail the see the lie. I do see a personal attack however. No need to get personal just because I reject your measure for comparing tax burden due to its obvious flaws.

Because in Post 6969 I said my personal tax situation had nothing to do with my argument.
So quoting what I said in that post-

My last answer to you did say my proof is in the Budget papers and on the ABS site.
Total tax intake is up by more than inflation from 2007/08 until 2011/12 by more than inflation.
Now go and read it.
And the same sources say total Government expenditure Has gone up at approximately twice the rate of it's income

And you are complaining of personal attacks.Pot.Kettle.Black.

 

[amaroo]

Awww can we not wait for the result of the dumb & dumber leadership contest

Good point. It will be truly remarkable to see a candidate selected by the members but rejected by caucus......have we seen this horror story before?

I believe this is a beautiful illustration of the situation