Oz Federal Election 2013 - Discussion and Comments

[medhead]

Because in Post 6969 I said my personal tax situation had nothing to do with my argument.
So quoting what I said in that post-
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So you agree your personal tax situation is irrelevant. Ok then.

The fact remains that revenue is not an appropriate measure of tax burden. Otherwise, we would just say that Henry Parkes had the lowest taxing government. Even if Parkes collected 100% of GDP as tax the total revenue would be lower than today. It is ludicrous to suggest that the government today would be higher taxing by comparison.

I notice you ignore that flaw in your position. What is important is the tax burden that the government imposes on the country's income. That means tax as % of GDP. National production also changes over time, and so must be considered. So you can stick to total revenue, but I will continue to point out the flaws in your measure

And I don't even have to point out the discrepancy between your earlier statement that revenue did change versus your current position that it has increased.

Do quote where I've called you a liar.

LOL the new Government will soon see things right. It's like the dark clouds have lifted and the sun is shining again

About time this thread got the boot......RIP.

Well you and your mates are the only ones going on with it. Hubris, I guess, is the reason that you have to keep trying to make snide comments, that you can't have any grace in getting your preferred outcome.

I'll also remind you again that I predicted this outcome at least 6 months ago. Which makes your continued gloating even more sad.

 

[amaroo]

Do quote where I've called you a liar.

LOL......and you have a go at me regarding fiddling with words!

Maintain the rage medhead you only have [-]3 years[/-] 6 or maybe even 9 years to go

 

[amaroo]

Well you and your mates are the only ones going on with it. Hubris, I guess, is the reason that you have to keep trying to make snide comments, that you can't have any grace in getting your preferred outcome.

I'll also remind you again that I predicted this outcome at least 6 months ago. Which makes your continued gloating even more sad.

Check the video tape. Haven't posted here since the weekend - on purpose. Only came back in when the rubbish was starting to overflow and was starting to stink the place out!

Why you lefties want to glow in the lost is beyond me....better to pack it up & post elsewhere IMHO.

BTW - looks like the ALP have lost by a margin of 40 seats

 

[Pukka]

Well you and your mates are the only ones going on with it. Hubris, I guess, is the reason that you have to keep trying to make snide comments, that you can't have any grace in getting your preferred outcome.

I'll also remind you again that I predicted this outcome at least 6 months ago. Which makes your continued gloating even more sad.

Lol 40% of the last 10 quotes are from you.

Now you just sound bitter. So are you predicting an ALP victory next time ? I think they're history for a while especially if they give Billy the big chair.

 

[medhead]

Lol 40% of the last 10 quotes are from you.

Now you just sound bitter. So are you predicting an ALP victory next time ? I think they're history for a while especially if they give Billy the big chair.

Yep and [-]60%[/-] 70% are from you and your mates.

Then if we go back over the last 25 posts you and your mates get up to 76%. Yep hubris basking in the ALP loss. I'll enjoy the way the country loses under Abbott for the next 3 or 6 or 9 years.

You might also like to talk to drron and amaroo about mathematics, they might be able to help you with percentages.

Check the video tape. Haven't posted here since the weekend - on purpose. Only came back in when the rubbish was starting to overflow and was starting to stink the place out!

Why you lefties want to glow in the lost is beyond me....better to pack it up & post elsewhere IMHO.

BTW - looks like the ALP have lost by a margin of 40 seats

Perhaps you need to check the video tape. The only one basking in the lost are you and your mates, with the continuing snide comments and attacks. I can only assume you take some pleasure at gloating, which is why you wish to continue with your graceless hubris. Perhaps if the arrogance stopped then there would be no need to set the record straight.

As for the lost by 40 seats. You need to talk to drron about mathematics, then it can be the blind leading the blind. Maybe one day you might realise that the margin is not the amount of the lost. Each seat that changes hands contributes double to the margin between the parties. No wonder you voted for the innumerate economic policies of the Abbott.

 

[amaroo]

As for the lost by 40 seats.

If we all agree to cease and kill this thread.....I'd be happy to comply. How about it?

 

[serfty]

If we all agree to cease and kill this thread.....I'd be happy to comply. How about it?

Not yet - the ABC is predicting a 38 seat majority still.

Still very little comment around regarding the six senate seats the ALP look like losing.

 

[footy99]

Not yet - the ABC is predicting a 38 seat majority still.

Still very little comment around regarding the six senate seats the ALP look like losing.

There's something wrong with the ABC prediction. They seem to think PUP is part of the Coalition.

Right now, it is 91-54-5 on the AEC. The biggest doubts are McEwen, which is on a knife-edge lead to LNP, and Parramatta where the ALP has a small margin.

 

[amaroo]

There's something wrong with the ABC prediction. They seem to think PUP is part of the Coalition.

Right now, it is 91-54-5 on the AEC. The biggest doubts are McEwen, which is on a knife-edge lead to LNP, and Parramatta where the ALP has a small margin.

How so?

PUP is part of the 5......only 1 seat is going to Clive. Unfortunately, it's my electorate

 

[footy99]

How so?

PUP is part of the 5......only 1 seat is going to Clive. Unfortunately, it's my electorate

ABC has 92-54-4 predicted (including predicting a PUP win). They think PUP is in the Coalition for some reason.

 

[medhead]

There's something wrong with the ABC prediction. They seem to think PUP is part of the Coalition.

Right now, it is 91-54-5 on the AEC. The biggest doubts are McEwen, which is on a knife-edge lead to LNP, and Parramatta where the ALP has a small margin.

That explains the 2 seat difference I was puzzling over, I think.

No actually, the difference is the Nats picking up 2 seats. meaning still ? independents overall even with the PUP win.

 

[amaroo]

ABC has 92-54-4 predicted (including predicting a PUP win). They think PUP is in the Coalition for some reason.

The AEC is showing 91 - 54 - 5......PUP (Fairfax) is part of the 5.

The ABC is hopeless except for Chris Uhlmann.....pity he's leaving 7.30 report

 

[footy99]

The AEC is showing 91 - 54 - 5......PUP (Fairfax) is part of the 5.

The ABC is hopeless except for Chris Uhlmann.

Yeah that's what I mean. AEC has it right. ABC has messed something up.

 

[drron]

Oh dear medhead.Try converting Henry Parkes pounds to todays dollar or vice versa using inflation figures and you still can compare the tax grab.By the way there were a lot less taxes in those days.But of course they were the days when basically you spent what you received making the % GDP method of calculating who had the higher taxes absolutely misleading.

And of course you are very careful with your words.But I am not the only one who feels that you have engaged in personal attacks and post
6985 is a perfect example.It doesn't matter if you don't think that was a personal attack,many others do.

 

[drross]

If we all agree to cease and kill this thread.....I'd be happy to comply. How about it?

yes please.

 

[serfty]

The AEC is showing 91 - 54 - 5......PUP (Fairfax) is part of the 5.

The ABC is hopeless except for Chris Uhlmann.....pity he's leaving 7.30 report

ABC is now showing 54 - 91 - 5 based on current leads - 2 of those are too close to call (one LIB lead, 1 ALP lead).

The LIB Tassie lead has increased in the senate.

 

[amaroo]

ABC is now showing 54 - 91 - 5 based on current leads - 2 of those are too close to call (one LIB lead, 1 ALP lead).

The LIB Tassie lead has increased in the senate.

With another 8,000 votes to count in Fairfax it's going to be very close......PUP might rue the decision not to man pre-poll stations or mail out postal vote. The local paper is predicting a photo finish.

If the vote in Fairfax particularly proves to be so close but no cigar, the answers may be found as much in his party's failure to run a strong postal vote campaign and to get its preference deals sorted early and understood by voters.
Postal votes are running against Mr Palmer at the rate of 62.99% and may well decide whether he makes it to Parliament or not. Postal vote campaigns are expensive and are usually to the advantage of sitting members, who can draw on electoral allowances to cover cost.

United Australia Party - Palmer United Party's Queensland name - state member Alex Douglas blamed the lack of a postal campaign for his wife Suzie's failure to convert a strong 16.3% primary vote in the Gold Coast seat of McPherson into something more.
"It costs about $55,000 to do a postal mailer,'' he said. "We should have done it."

 

[11sjw]

Not yet - the ABC is predicting a 38 seat majority still.

Still very little comment around regarding the six senate seats the ALP look like losing.

I used to work with the guy that is on the Australian Sports Party ticket. Very happy to see Louise Pratt ousted for him.

 

[drsmithy]

To get the same take home money I did 7 years ago I do have to work 25% more weeks.Fortunately I really enjoy my work so it is no problem.

So let me get this straight. You're saying that to cover the additional taxes you have to pay now compared to seven years ago, you need to earn 25% more ?

 

[drsmithy]

Has absolutely nothing to do with my tax rate at all.I am amazed at the idiocy of those who think I must give my personal details.And anyone with an accounting background who thinks I should might study some ethics.

I'm amazed at the idiocy of someone who thinks anyone wants his personal details after being explicitly told they don't.

Plus If they haven't worked out why my tax has changed over the term of the previous Rudd/Gillard governments shows their opinions on the matter are not worth listening to.

All our crystal balls appear to be broken, and since you're so insistent on not telling us what these changes have been, we can only conclude you're making them up.