Pay as you go Trans-Tasman or Airline.

[TheInsider]

Surely this survey is redundant? Surely QF wouldn't be that out of touch that they would think that this is a good idea.

 

[love_the_life]

Surely this survey is redundant? Surely QF wouldn't be that out of touch that they would think that this is a good idea.

You never can tell with QF. Consistently inconsistent so who knows?

 

[AviationNZ]

Just another person playing devils advocate here, but "if" the fully inclusive product ended up being the same level as the current fares, what would the issue be? It allows people that don't want to pay for food, but want to fly QF the ability to do so. Or it allows those that are flying with hand luggage only a slight saving to what they currently pay.

Along with myself, I know a number of other corporate travellers who travel Air NZ and consistenty book the Seat only product for two reasons;

1. The use their recognition upgrades or bid using the OneUp program, and if it comes off, are only upgrading from the absolute base fare rather than wasting $30-40.
2. They travel with hand luggage only, eat well in the lounge, and do work on board...so see no value in paying for movies, meals, checked luggage.

I view it the same as buying a car. They have the entry level model, but you can get the bigger engine, the leather seats, the sun-roof, etc. There isn't a one sized fits all to much of what we do today!

 

[Sdtravel]

Qantas is looking at 'buy on board' for meals, inflight movies

Ausbt seems to have picked up the story.
Comments from it seems to align with our thoughts.

 

[serfty]

"if" the fully inclusive product ended up being the same level as the current fares, what would the issue be?

In your dreams ... when AirNZ introduced S2S the average base fare did not "go down"; baggage, seat choice, F&B & IFE all required addiction payments.

I was a [Gold] Elite with Airpoints at the time; my last $0.02 APD expired a year ago.

 

[BD1959]

I know that TT would only be the test market if this came about but it does beg the question:
how much profit is decent?

And the follow-up: is Jetconnect not working for Qantas?

If I were Qantas, I’d be asking myself why I’m deploying Mainline when the kiwi provider was supposedly reducing costs such that Qantas could be profitable TT as a full service carrier. Main line crews “overnighting” after a 3.5hr BNE-CHC are surely a better target of cost reduction - and increased margin - than this dollar grab.

Regards,

BD

 

[AviationNZ]

In your dreams ... when AirNZ introduced S2S the average base fare did not "go down"; baggage, seat choice, F&B & IFE all required addiction payments.

I'd argue market conditions determine the price though. Air NZ aren't able to price themselves out of the market, so their Works fare (all inclusive) is more often than not comparitive to QF (i.e. it's apples for apples).

 

[serfty]

Market conditions do determine the price; I found QF's fares generally about $35 more than AirNZ's "seat" fares.


The biggest problem for mewith the S2S setup was that you couldn't get F&B included without paying for baggage $50. Who checks baggage? I rarely do. It represented an expensive meal. When I told Bruce Parton this at an FT do, he looked at me blankly.

 

[oz_mark]

The biggest problem for mewith the S2S setup was that you couldn't get F&B included without paying for baggage $50. Who checks baggage? I rarely do. It represented an expensive meal. When I told Bruce Parton this at an FT do, he looked at me blankly.

Maybe they should onky allow overhead bin space if you paid the $50

 

[AviationNZ]

Market conditions do determine the price; I found QF's fares generally about $35 more than AirNZ's "seat" fares.


The biggest problem for mewith the S2S setup was that you couldn't get F&B included without paying for baggage $50. Who checks baggage? I rarely do. It represented an expensive meal. When I told Bruce Parton this at an FT do, he looked at me blankly.

And the difference between Seat only and The Works with Air NZ is $40. So my point remains, I don't think customers are paying any more or less as the market determines pricing to a large extent. If you're a "Works" customer, then buy all inclusive. But if you're not, you've got a choice to pay less for what you don't need.

I think we're going to get to a point in time pretty soon with airlines that you customise everything you want. You buy the seat, then you choose how many bags, what type of F&B, what type of seat (exit row, etc), do you want IFE, do you want wifi, etc.

I personally don't see the downside, as it is the ultimate in customisation.

 

[trippin_the_rift]

In the airline world, sometimes, decisions are made when a neighbours' friends' golf buddies brother's 12-year-old son of a board member read in a newspaper thinks is the right direction.

So, if I had to take a wild stab at the logic behind the survey - it could be that some bright spark had this idea after reading an article about Lufthansa/AA/UA etc and the survey is going out solely to disprove this is what Australian pax will accept.

 

[Wanderlust_tim]

My worry with this is threefold.
1) This can be used as the basis to roll it out on other routes.
2) It gives consumers the illusion of choice. Bundling inherently gives you things you don't need.
3) If Qantas and Air NZ run the same model don't we run the risk of monopolistic competition and then prices rising?

 

[Jacques Vert]

The biggest problem for mewith the S2S setup was that you couldn't get F&B included without paying for baggage $50. Who checks baggage? I rarely do. It represented an expensive meal. When I told Bruce Parton this at an FT do, he looked at me blankly.

Simarly since Jetstar unbundled their fares, if you want to fly "business" you only have a choice of business max with all bells and whistles, or the cheap business with bugger all. If you want SCs and points but don't need flexibility, you still have to take the full product which IMHO is not competively priced.

I too did the survey and like many others I said if I want to fly with a LCC then there are others that will likely be cheaper than QF.

 

[serfty]

And the difference between Seat only and The Works with Air NZ is $40.

It wasn't originally; it was $50; I have not even bothered looking the last couple of years.

 

[ric_melb]

I am not in favour of Qantas unbundling for flights over the Tasman. I want to go on a full service airline, not to pick and choose.
For example you may plan to fly HLO but then decide to check a bag in. This can be done easily with no necessity to adjust the booking.
Funnily enough I just came across a Qantas ad online for flights to Bali. I think it was for the Melbourne/Bali route.
And it was promoting flying to Bali with a full service airline.
Totally incongruous to promote full service to Bali, whilst thinking about charging for extras on flights across the Tasman.

 

[opusman]

I think it'll be very confusing for the average consumer who's used to everything being included for just one route to be different.

Of course it wouldn't stay on just one route for very long.

As experience has shown when the US airlines introduced economy basic fares, they came in at the old "full" economy price - so for most people prices went up.

Slippery slope.

 

[ric_melb]

Just to annoy me even more this ad popped up on my Facebook. Full service to Cairns but Pay For Service to NZ. Grrr.

 

[RichardMEL]

So I wonder when QFLink A320's appear serving t-t flying?

 

[TheInsider]

So I wonder when QFLink A320's appear serving t-t flying?

They won't. Crew are based in PER, and to top that off there are no east coast flights.

 

[TheInsider]

Just to annoy me even more this ad popped up on my Facebook. Full service to Cairns but Pay For Service to NZ. Grrr.View attachment 127074

Well this was just a survey, and only that, nothing has changed.