People coming past the curtain to use the dunny, especially row-4 platinums.

[kamchatsky]

Alternative solution to WP's problem of having toilets far away from them when flying Y: Put all WPs to the back of the plane so that they have easy access to the loo (and QF can put this as a published benefit!)! :mrgreen:

 

[Fantic125]

I agree with the OP, but due to a slightly different perspective.

I do a lot of international flights (usually QF) in Y and using seat selection am usually able to score the front row baulkhead seats in Y (both international and domestic). My preference up until a few months ago used to be for an aisle seat, but I've recently started selecting window seats.

Why?

Over the past 6~12 months there has seemed to be an increase in traffic "through the curtains", not only from cabin crew but also passengers (both Y>J, as well as J>Y), either to talk to other passengers or to use the toilets.
Particularly when the lights are out a lot of the people either don't see there are people in the aisle seats beside the curtains (or don't care) and barge into your shoulder or knock you in the head as they go past.
This is also exacerbated by the slight dog-leg or narrowing in the asle from the J cabin to the Y cabin.

I would be happier as well if the "curtain rule" was enforced a bit more strictly.

 

[straitman]

Who are you calling revolting!!

If you have to ask......... :shock:

 

[JohnK]

As an aside,why do people need to go to the loo as soon as the seat belt signs are off?I cant remember the time I last used a plane loo on an under 4 hour flight.

One too many drinks in the lounge before a flight and forgetting to go to the toilet could mean a very uncomfortable time waiting for take-off and then the seat belt sign to go off.

Another-if you are in row 23 why do you have to have a close look at the first few row numbers?

Because row numbers are different on most aircraft.

A 737 may be straight forward, a 767 gets a little complicated along with an A320 but a 747 and A380 can be extremely confusing depending on which door is used for boarding.

 

[Warks]

Have only really noticed this as an issue in the last couple of years. It's really only a 737 issue as there's plenty of toilets on a 767 and above to use. I can recall some years ago being surprised at the nice flowers in the toilet and the cotton hand towels - at the time I had no idea that this end was 'reserved' for J. (On a side note what happened to the flowers? Or are they only in INT J?)

The policing of this seems a bit random, did eight flights in the past three days with 5 on 737s and I heard them say the front was for J twice. The curtain was closed about four or five times.

It is a bit odd that the numbers are so disproportionate as someone noted - one kahzee for 12 J pax (usually only about 5 on my flights) vs two for the multitudes. Also it's a long old walk down the back. I can see why J doesn't like it but I can understand the need.

Speaking of 'busting' we flew DRW-BNE a couple of nights ago when the tropical storm hit BNE. With seatbelts on we circled the airport for at least an hour before it was safe to land after the pilot declined a slot on the grounds of safety. Then with the lightning hazard we were forced to sit on the tarmac short of the bridge for another half hour before we could disembark. They had to show some compassion on the ground and let a few people get up 'go'. This was a 767 so there were no 'invaders' (I was in J).

 

[Ewing]

The policing of this seems a bit random, did eight flights in the past three days with 5 on 737s and I heard them say the front was for J twice. The curtain was closed about four or five times.

It seems to be random. I've had the announcement on a flight where I've been the only person in J - and yes it was policed on that flight - presumably because it was so easy to tell who was "authorised" to use it :mrgreen:

Personally I couldn't care less. I have more important things to care about than if a Y passenger wants to use a J toilet on a short 737 flight, and as I'm smart enough to use the facilities before boarding I only tend to use the toilet if the crew have been too generous with their wine refills.

 

[Kangol]

Out of curiosity, what is the basis for your assumption that Row 4 is populated by Platinums, do you check their boarding pass?

Same - I've been seated in row 4 a few times in the past few months and I'm not WP. Hey, even on tomorrow's and Sunday's return flight MEL-ADL-MEL I managed to get row 4!

 

[Groundfeeder]

And you know who does it the most? Bloody Platinums in row 4. On the odd occasion when I do sit down the back, it's always the Platinum FFs in row 4 who feel sufficiently entitled to basically intrude into the Business section and take advantage of a (privacy) product for which they or their employer refused to pay.

I did this last week CNS - BNE from 4C, only after asking CSM if it was OK.

NOTE 1: Not a WP!!! My last 8 flights have been in either 4A or 4F.
NOTE 2: Pax in 4B definitely no status shorts and thongs wearer.
NOTE 3: You may find that the bulk of J is clogged with dead-heading QF staff (refer your last sentence)

 

[Lawlass]

NOTE 2: Pax in 4B definitely no status shorts and thongs wearer.

What does wearing shorts and thongs have to do with status?

 

[serfty]

What does wearing shorts and thongs have to do with status?

Maybe it depends on the weather ... >

 

[Toula92122]

Actually I have to agree with the OP on this issue. I'm a lowly silver and always fly Y on domestic and it is always interesting to watch the parade of peeps who head straight for the loos in J. Usually during their inflight blurb they do make it clear that the front loo is for J and if you are in Y head down the back.

I think it is about time that the FAs police this and keep the J loo for the peeps who have paid for it. I have always put it down to the crew just being too lazy to confront those intruders.

Whether you have Platinum because you always fly is irrelevant. I haven't seen it as a FF benefit that if you are Platinum you can pee in which loo you like.

 

[simongr]

Whether you have Platinum because you always fly is irrelevant. I haven't seen it as a FF benefit that if you are Platinum you can pee in which loo you like.

Could you point to the fare conditions and conditions of carriage that state this as a benefit for J pax? Just because it is spouted by the CSM doesn't make it so.

If you are going to use published benefits as a rationale then it cuts both ways.

 

[Austman]

Could you point to the fare conditions and conditions of carriage that state this as a benefit for J pax? Just because it is spouted by the CSM doesn't make it so.

If you are going to use published benefits as a rationale then it cuts both ways.

Is there anything in Fare Condtions or Conditions of Carriage that specify the different service levels?

I mean Business Class on-board offerings - such as seating, food, drinks etc are not specified in these documents either.

 

[cdp88]

Could you point to the fare conditions and conditions of carriage that state this as a benefit for J pax? Just because it is spouted by the CSM doesn't make it so.

If you are going to use published benefits as a rationale then it cuts both ways.

Do we need everything spelled out in published benefits or conditions of carriage? I mean, it is a business class cabin so it is for passengers who have a business class ticket. If you don't have the ticket you should not be in the cabin except to walk through during boarding or disembarking.

So, using this logic, should economy pax be allowed to stow carry on in business class overhead bins? I mean it's more convenient to have your luggage at the front and it isn't a published benefit that business class passengers have sole use of business class overhead bins.

People see a grey area on a 737 flight as there is no bulkhead or stairs to climb providing a physical barrier between economy and business. And you have to walk through the business cabin to the economy section when boarding. But there are still two classes of travel and a difference in the price of the tickets.

I reckon, if you're invited by the FA to use the business toilet or overhead storage then that's fine. If you're not invited I don't think you should presume to be entitled. I agree that there should be some flexibility but it should be at the discretion of the FA, not the passenger.

Having said this, do people feel that business pax should be allowed to walk into the economy cabin to use the toilet there? I guess if you believe that business pax should be allowed to use the economy cabin then you can't really argue that the business cabin is the sole domain of business pax. For me, if I was flying business I would stay there and not go into other cabins to use their facilities.

 

[connieguy]

Do we need everything spelled out in published benefits or conditions of carriage? I mean, it is a business class cabin so it is for passengers who have a business class ticket. If you don't have the ticket you should not be in the cabin except to walk through during boarding or disembarking.

So, using this logic, should economy pax be allowed to stow carry on in business class overhead bins? I mean it's more convenient to have your luggage at the front and it isn't a published benefit that business class passengers have sole use of business class overhead bins.

People see a grey area on a 737 flight as there is no bulkhead or stairs to climb providing a physical barrier between economy and business. And you have to walk through the business cabin to the economy section when boarding. But there are still two classes of travel and a difference in the price of the tickets.

I reckon, if you're invited by the FA to use the business toilet or overhead storage then that's fine. If you're not invited I don't think you should presume to be entitled. I agree that there should be some flexibility but it should be at the discretion of the FA, not the passenger.

Having said this, do people feel that business pax should be allowed to walk into the economy cabin to use the toilet there? I guess if you believe that business pax should be allowed to use the economy cabin then you can't really argue that the business cabin is the sole domain of business pax. For me, if I was flying business I would stay there and not go into other cabins to use their facilities.

When go gotta go, you gotta go. If the rear facilities have a queue or the isle is blocked with trolleys, well it is upward and onward. I should add that I always point Percy at the Porcelain before I leave the lounge so it is rare for me to visit the "facilities" in flight.

But what a great WP benefit. :shock: Get a row 4 seat and be the furthest away from the facilities. Think about that for a really NOT great WP nega row 4 seat benefit, you "non WP, J wankers".

 

[Pushka]

Whether you have Platinum because you always fly is irrelevant. I haven't seen it as a FF benefit that if you are Platinum you can pee in which loo you like.

Except I haven't seen it written where it is a benefit of being in Business Class that only Business Class are allowed to pee in the forward loos either. And nor is it stated anyway that Economy passengers are not allowed to do so.

Is there anything in Fare Condtions or Conditions of Carriage that specify the different service levels?

I mean Business Class on-board offerings - such as seating, food, drinks etc are not specified in these documents either.

I think you will find on the website at least, that such offerings are listed.

Do we need everything spelled out in published benefits or conditions of carriage? I mean, it is a business class cabin so it is for passengers who have a business class ticket. If you don't have the ticket you should not be in the cabin except to walk through during boarding or disembarking.

I disagree. If you are prohibited from using the facilities, then that should be stated, and then enforced. if it is not enforced by the Crew then it is pointless having the rule.

I dont have an issue with enforcing the rule that economy people should not use the forward loos, but until that is put into print, and enforced, then anyone should be able to use them. But I suspect that they cant enforce this rule - due to health reasons.

 

[connieguy]

Except I haven't seen it written where it is a benefit of being in Business Class that only Business Class are allowed to pee in the forward loos either. And nor is it stated anyway that Economy passengers are not allowed to do so.


I think you will find on the website at least, that such offerings are listed.

This discussion is about on the same level as that about the QF "J lounges" should only be used by QF J Paxs and that the QF WP riff raff should be kept out. That was until Red Roo said the QF "J lounges" were built by QF for their QF WPs and that QF J Paxs were also invited to use them.

You think the QF "J toilets" should / would be treated any different by QF WPs that need to use that QF facility?

 

[Pushka]

This discussion is about on the same level as that about the QF "J lounges" should only be used by QF J Paxs and that the QF WP riff raff should be kept out. That was until Red Roo said the QF "J lounges" were built by QF for their QF WPs and that QF J Paxs were also invited to use them.

You think the QF "J toilets" should / would be treated any different by QF WPs that need to use that QF facility?

Sorry, you will need to spell that out. Too many J's for me to understand here.:shock: What is a J lounge? I only know of Club Lounges - all we get here in Adelaide!

 

[connieguy]

Sorry, you will need to spell that out. Too many J's for me to understand here.:shock: What is a J lounge? I only know of Club Lounges - all we get here in Adelaide!

The J lounge is a J / WP only lounge. Some J flyers though that QF WPs should not get access as it was a "J" lounge. Red Roo sorted that by stating the J lounges were built for QF WPs and that QF J paxs were also invited to use them.

I fail to see why J toilets are any different, especially if you are a WP and sitting in row 4 and the isle is blocked by trolleys or there is a queue for the rear facilities.

 

[OverrideServlet]

I was once given a very stern dressing down by a CSM for attempting to use the loos in the forward cabin, and that was when I was sitting in 3A!

Given that experience, combined with the many repeated announcements regarding use of the forward toilets (for business passengers only), my interpretation is that Qantas' intends that economy folk will use the toilets at the rear unless explicitly told otherwise.

Sure it's not written as a fare rule/condition, and if you think that gives you the right to use whatever loos you like, then all the best to you.

The only thing that bothers me about the row 4 invasion is the increased foot traffic. Like many have stated, I will do my best to avoid using the loos onboard.