People coming past the curtain to use the dunny, especially row-4 platinums.

[Pushka]

The J lounge is a J / WP only lounge. Some J flyers though that QF WPs should not get access as it was a "J" lounge. Red Roo sorted that by stating the J lounges were built for QF WPs and that QF J paxs were also invited to use them.

I fail to see why J toilets are any different, especially if you are a WP and sitting in row 4 and the isle is blocked by trolleys or there is a queue for the rear facilities.

ah, so we agree then!

I was once given a very stern dressing down by a CSM for attempting to use the loos in the forward cabin, and that was when I was sitting in 3A!
The only thing that bothers me about the row 4 invasion is the increased foot traffic. Like many have stated, I will do my best to avoid using the loos onboard.

Same here. Hate the toilets. I got a dressing down when I was in Business, because I had my headrest up and the guy behind me, in Economy, could not see the video screen. This is the coughpy service they use Adelaide-Perth where there is not a separate Business class section. I said to the CA that I couldnt even see the Video screen from my Business class seat unless I hugged the person on the window seat (it was my mum btw!). So basically told the CA to tell the person behind to harden up. CA looked surprised at the lack of sight to the video and said no-one had ever pointed that out before. yeah, sure!

Then I adjusted the airflow (it was summer) so that I could get some air. Blow me down, the person across the aisle, in Business class, complained that I was creating a breeze on her! The same CA was called, looked at my thunderous expression, and politely informed the lady that this was impossible.

Oh yeah, the forward toilets were used by everyone on that trip and no-one said a word.

 

[connieguy]

I was once given a very stern dressing down by a CSM for attempting to use the loos in the forward cabin, and that was when I was sitting in 3A!

Given that experience, combined with the many repeated announcements regarding use of the forward toilets (for business passengers only), my interpretation is that Qantas' intends that economy folk will use the toilets at the rear unless explicitly told otherwise.

Sure it's not written as a fare rule/condition, and if you think that gives you the right to use whatever loos you like, then all the best to you.

The only thing that bothers me about the row 4 invasion is the increased foot traffic. Like many have stated, I will do my best to avoid using the loos onboard.

WPs use:

1) F/J Check-in

2) F/J Security

3) F/J Immigration

4) F/J Lounges

5) F/J Priority Boarding

6) J arrival lounge access

What we can't pee in the domestic J toilet on the aircraft when we are sitting in row 4?

 

[Stephen65]

There are lots of things not spelled out but which are understood or within the discretion of the FA's - for example there is nothing in the terms and conditions of being a Y that says you can't go and loiter in the corridor of the J cabin but the FA's have the power to tell you to bugger off down the back. If you want the privileges of using the toilets in a higher class cabin then shell out the extra $$$$ or points (or have whoever is paying for your travel do it).

As for J passengers using Y toilets - just because the peasants can't use the Lord of the castle's privy doesn't mean he can't use theirs!

If access to the front toilet is blocked by trolleys then J passengers using the rear toilets is reasonable. I have a great deal of respect for the principle that if you have to go you have to go.

 

[Austman]

Is there anything in Fare Condtions or Conditions of Carriage that specify the different service levels?

I mean Business Class on-board offerings - such as seating, food, drinks etc are not specified in these documents either.

I think you will find on the website at least, that such offerings are listed.

Some have claimed that the exclusive use of a toilet for one class should be written in the CofC - but it isn't. But neither are the other F/J/PE class benefits. My point was: just because it's not specifically written in the CofC is not a very good argument.

What is in the CofC is

you must comply with the following requirements, and all other reasonable directions of any crew member on your flight with us, when on board:

So if a crew member says that one toilet is exclusively for Buisiness Class, which seems reasonable, you have agreed in the CofC to obey that directive.

 

[Stephen65]

It is a bit odd that the numbers are so disproportionate as someone noted - one kahzee for 12 J pax (usually only about 5 on my flights) vs two for the multitudes. Also it's a long old walk down the back. I can see why J doesn't like it but I can understand the need.

Probably no more disproportionate than the difference in cost between a J fare and the average of the Y fares.

 

[Pushka]

Some have claimed that the exclusive use of a toilet for one class should be written in the CofC - but it isn't. But neither are the other F/J/PE class benefits. My point was: just because it's not specifically written in the CofC is not a very good argument.

What is in the CofC is

So if a crew member says that one toilet is exclusively for Buisiness Class, which seems reasonable, you have agreed in the CofC to obey that directive.

But the devil is in the detail. If you really need to use a Lavatory, say you are unwell, and your access to the rear is blocked, then is it a reasonable thing for the crew to insist you are not able to use the toilet that is available? I think not.

 

[connieguy]

So if a crew member says that one toilet is exclusively for Business Class, which seems reasonable, you have agreed in the CofC to obey that directive.

Then QF can pay to have my trousers cleaned and have a wet seat, if I'm sitting in row 4, the isle to the rear toilet is blocked my their food / drinks trolleys and the call of nature is too strong. I mean I'm 64 (yea I know, old fart) so my bladder control is less effective than at 30. Suck it up, you will also get old.

 

[Pushka]

Then QF can pay to have my trousers cleaned and have a wet seat, if I'm sitting in row 4, the isle to the rear toilet is blocked my their food / drinks trolleys and the call of nature is too strong. I mean I'm 64 (yea I know, old fart) so my bladder control is less effective than at 30. Suck it up, you will also get old.

But the devil is in the detail. If you really need to use a Lavatory, say you are unwell, and your access to the rear is blocked, then is it a reasonable thing for the crew to insist you are not able to use the toilet that is available? I think not.

Ok, so I will amend my post to read: If you really need to use a Lavatory, say you are unwell, or as old as gowatson, and your access to the rear is blocked, then is it a reasonable thing for the crew to insist you are not able to use the toilet that is available? I think not.

 

[connieguy]

Ok, so I will amend my post to read: If you really need to use a Lavatory, say you are unwell, or as old as gowatson, and your access to the rear is blocked, then is it a reasonable thing for the crew to insist you are not able to use the toilet that is available? I think not.

:shock: Ha, Ha. Very funny. Your time will come mate. I can wait. Ever hear that revenge is a dish best served COLD.

Now understand why Percy always points at the Porcelain before I leave the lounge? Getting older is not that bad, just you gotta learn to do things a bit differently.

Bottom line is I have never used or will use the J toilet unless there is no other option. I suggest we are all in that camp and that this discussion is just a bit of fun.

 

[Stephen65]

If you are old or ill or have some sort of bowel or bladder condition where you have to go now and there is no access to the Y toilets then I don't think directing you not to use the J toilet would be a "reasonable direction" from a crew member within the meaning of that term in the QF CofC.

 

[Pushka]

. Ever hear that revenge is a dish best served COLD.

It's my favourite expression; that, and Karma is a cough!:shock:

Try Proseren/saw palmetto - works a treat. (PS, this mate is a SHE!:mrgreen::mrgreen

Maybe they should hand them out to all those feisty economy people who dare walk forward instead of aft!

 

[connieguy]

It's my favourite expression; that, and Karma is a cough!:shock:

Try Proseren/saw palmetto - works a treat. (PS, this mate is a SHE!:mrgreen::mrgreen

Maybe they should hand them out to all those feisty economy people who dare walk forward instead of aft!

Actually my bladder is working very well. Last checkup, the doc said I had the blood workup of a 35 year old. I do look 10 to 15 years years longer than my age. Been using saw palmetto for a long time now. Found the LEF mix works wonders. That is me 4th from the left, back row.

 

[Pushka]

Actually my bladder is working very well. Last checkup, the doc said I had the blood workup of a 35 year old. I do look 10 to 15 years years longer than my age. Been using saw palmetto for a long time now. Found the LEF mix works wonders. That is me 4th from the left, back row.

Not bad for an old dude! But how many years ago was it taken?:mrgreen:

 

[connieguy]

Not bad for an old dude! But how many years ago was it taken?:mrgreen:

The photo was taken at the recent AFF Flounge run about 2 months ago where LawLass accused me of having surgery!

These are my toes at 40,000 feet in the Emirates A380 F shower while drinking French Champagne. Yea I know, why only one set of toes?

 

[Warks]

WPs use:

1) F/J Check-in

2) F/J Security

3) F/J Immigration

4) F/J Lounges

5) F/J Priority Boarding

6) J arrival lounge access

What we can't pee in the domestic J toilet on the aircraft when we are sitting in row 4?

[taking the bait] That would take exceptional aim and pressure! [/bait taken]

 

[gumpy]

I have actually been told to use the business toilets even though was an economy customer... And I was not in row 4

This has happened to me once also... I never took advantage of it.

I thought it was completely out of the question for a Y pax to open the curtain and walk through... I've seen 2 people turned back from the J toilets twice... that's about it...


I really haven't seen this happen much at all...

 

[connieguy]

[taking the bait] That would take exceptional aim and pressure! [/bait taken]

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[Simo]

NOTE 2: Pax in 4B definitely no status shorts and thongs wearer.

Gee whiz my WP status means nothing when i wear shorts and thongs when commuting for work on weekends.

I didn't realise that status also meant you had to wear certain types of clothes.

I can not see clothing options in terms and conditions for my Plat status.

I wear a polo shirt to work everyday so am I a plat member or doesn't it count then.

 

[Lawlass]

I mean I'm 64

You told me 60

 

[Lawlass]

and your access to the rear is blocked,

In that case at least it would only be number ones, so it would be quick I guess.