Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

[p--and--t]

With the UK still having no clue what direction to take, the Republic of Ireland is now forcing us (and others) to a 14 day mandatory isolation period; unless you're coming from Northern Ireland. We're about to tick over into June now and I dare say nothing is going to be relaxed until late, late this year .... even if at all.

There's talk about all these different travel bubbles and maybe allowing Australians in here because low risk etc. but it's all just unknowns.

Good you going to allow us to go there, just don't expect reciprocal good will from our Gov just yet to let pommies from that plague ridden land to come here

 

[Flashback]

Good you going to allow us to go there, just don't expect reciprocal good will from our Gov just yet to let pommies from that plague ridden land to come here

Oh except they do! I still hold onto my ever valuable AU passport so I can traverse the border

 

[jakeseven7]

Good you going to allow us to go there, just don't expect reciprocal good will from our Gov just yet to let pommies from that plague ridden land to come here

The mothership unfortunately seems well and truly lost.

What a complete disaster they are, second only to the US in their poor handling!

 

[dajop]

What a complete disaster they are, second only to the US in their poor handling!

Difficult to say that definitively. If you take death/million population as an indicator of the poorest handling, UK is #4 worst of major countries (behind Belgium, Spain, Italy) and USA at #9. Of course it is more nuanced than that.

 

[esseeeayeenn]

Difficult to say that definitively. If you take death/million population as an indicator of the poorest handling, UK is #4 worst of major countries (behind Belgium, Spain, Italy) and USA at #9. Of course it is more nuanced than that.

Belgium, Italy and Spain didn't have much warning.
It now seems COVID19 had already spread to Belgium and France even before the Wuhan outbreak became public knowledge.
Some strains of the virus found in France are older than the strains spread from Wuhan.
The UK and the US did have warning.

Bringing this back to the thread topic, the way countries are handling the problem going forward will influence when and how flights resume.
Our traditional partners the US and the UK should not be among the first nations with whom we resume air travel.
I wonder how this will impact flights. Could Qantas consider flying PER-CDG or PER-FRA before resuming PER-LHR?
Both flights were on the drawing board before their dispute with PAPL (Perth Airport) became intractable.

 

[p--and--t]

Well you can't stop there for a while, but at least you can transit in a couple weeks time....

Singapore To Allow Transit Passengers From June 2, 2020

Singapore allows transit passengers again from June 2, 2020.

loyaltylobby.com

 

[CityRail]

The way countries are handling the problem going forward will influence when and how flights resume.

I totally agree with this. If the world's curve does not flatten, it is indeed difficult for us to open borders to visitors from the whole world, and until that flattens, we can only see travel bubbles permitting in the interim.

Our traditional partners the US and the UK should not be among the first nations with whom we resume air travel.
I wonder how this will impact flights. Could Qantas consider flying PER-CDG or PER-FRA before resuming PER-LHR?
Both flights were on the drawing board before their dispute with PAPL (Perth Airport) became intractable.

I think with the openness between borders in the EU and UK, as well as the level of community transmission in the US, I cannot see those destinations being reopen soon.

And even when it reopens, the demand will be quite low that I don't think PER - CDG, as well as PER - FRA will be economically feasible until at least 2023 or 2024.

 

[ethernet]

Notice the false logic BM uses: Most were from overseas - past tense.
That is not the case with 14 day quarantines and checks before taking off. It does not take into account it was at the peak, and before countries got below R of 1. We also know those >70 and health problems also bumped up the numbers a bit. And before widespread testing could give us numbers on real risk. So the risk plan model has to be re-jigged. Plus sanitation corridors and tracking. Plus HEPA filters and masks, and distancing learnt. Now lower the numbers for seasoned business travellers not in the older age group.

Maybe the honest response is each state does not want to pay hospitalisation or hotel costs, nor enforcement costs. They want to live the dream like ACT SA NT and WA, and suck off free money off the Cwth to pay for airline, jobkeeper, hospitality, education,tourist and university subsidies. The states are inward looking parasites. They WILL beg and plead to the cows come home for said subsidies until the vaccine comes out.

Germany had OBJECTIVE rules for everything. Now pick something like SA to Taiwan - where is the problem? Or NZ- and the list will get longer. No transparency here.

One could argue decent travel insurance is the sticking point, as more airlines/flights are grounded by bankruptcy/finance issues.

 

[jakeseven7]

Well you can't stop there for a while, but at least you can transit in a couple weeks time....

Singapore To Allow Transit Passengers From June 2, 2020

Singapore allows transit passengers again from June 2, 2020.

loyaltylobby.com

SQ - saved!

 

[p--and--t]

SQ - saved!

Yep considering they don't have a domestic market they were up the proverbial creek with out a paddle until transit at least was opened up. They still have a rough row to hoe until numbers get up to make sectors viable.

 

[CityRail]

Universities propose 'secure corridor' rules for international students

A Group of Eight proposal reveals how international students could start arriving en masse in Australia again.

www.smh.com.au

International students may be allowed back under the plan from the Universities Australia.

As me being someone who works in the HE sector, I sincerely hoping that students will be able to come back next semester so that they can contribute to the Australian economy again.

 

[jakeseven7]

Universities propose 'secure corridor' rules for international students

A Group of Eight proposal reveals how international students could start arriving en masse in Australia again.

www.smh.com.au

International students may be allowed back under the plan from the Universities Australia.

As me being someone who works in the HE sector, I sincerely hoping that students will be able to come back next semester so that they can contribute to the Australian economy again.

As me not being the the HE, I agree anyway! Get them in! Quarantine, do whatever you need to do but hurry up!

 

[N860CR]

Maybe the honest response is each state does not want to pay hospitalisation or hotel costs, nor enforcement costs.

Not sure about hotel/enforcement bills, but when it comes to medical, a federal fund has been setup so that states aren’t footing the bill for corona related hospitalizations. Given how few of them there have been, I know of one Sydney ward that is getting a makeover paid for by Uncle Scott.

This is basically why I’m so opposed to this crazy state boundary restriction. The states aren’t up for the costs regardless of where one gets sick.

 

[CityRail]

Australia seeks exemption from Britain's impending international quarantine

The Morrison government has told British cabinet ministers that Australia's success in stamping out the disease makes it a low-risk country.

www.smh.com.au

Interesting. Whilst I don't think it will be possible for people coming from the UK to exempt from quarantine in Australia, they are seeking exemption from quarantine for Australians arriving in the UK.

I wonder whether some Asian countries will lobby for Australia to lift the quarantine exemption so that we can be one of the first country to re-open international tourism.

 

[oz_mark]

I wonder whether some Asian countries will lobby for Australia to lift the quarantine exemption so that we can be one of the first country to re-open international tourism.

That is one of the points of the 'travel bubble'. To allow travel without the quarantine requirements. It remains to be seen which countries (outside Aust and NZ) will be in it. Fiji have put their hand up, Vanuatu is interested.

Singapore has held discussions (related to business travel). It will happen, but likely a bit piecemeal to begin with.

 

[p--and--t]

If the government isn't too preoccupied with other things like domestic travel, China's blackmailing, states squabbling, internal squabbling and the economy, I suggest they task a group to create a checklist for mandatory acceptable travel arrangements that other countries can use to decide whether to apply to join the Australasia Bubble. Some of the inclusions could be...

Infection Rates
Outbreak procedures
Tracing procedures
Reciprocal medical care rights
Repatriation Processes and costs
Travel Insurance Requirements
Quarantine requirements, expenses and periods

I'm sure there are many others that could be added to the list plus refining of the above to occur.

 

[oz_mark]

If the government isn't too preoccupied with other things like domestic travel, China's blackmailing, states squabbling, internal squabbling and the economy, I suggest they task a group to create a checklist for mandatory acceptable travel arrangements that other countries can use to decide whether to apply to join the Australasia Bubble. Some of the inclusions could be...

Infection Rates
Outbreak procedures
Tracing procedures
Reciprocal medical care rights
Repatriation Processes and costs
Travel Insurance Requirements
Quarantine requirements, expenses and periods

I'm sure there are many others that could be added to the list plus refining of the above to occur.

The 'Trans-Tasman Safe Border Group' is due to report to the govt by the end of the month. They're tasked with nutting out the protocols.

Among other things, they are looking at how technology can be used for touchless immigration, how airports should be set up, what testing needs to occur, who pays for what.

Once the hard work between those two countries is done, then work on how to add other countries happens.

 

[CityRail]

The 'Trans-Tasman Safe Border Group' is due to report to the govt by the end of the month. They're tasked with nutting out the protocols.

Among other things, they are looking at how technology can be used for touchless immigration, how airports should be set up, what testing needs to occur, who pays for what.

Once the hard work between those two countries is done, then work on how to add other countries happens.

Meanwhile I think there is no national cabinet meeting this week, but there will national cabinet meeting next week.

Hopefully they will be discussing this findings by then or in the middle of June so we can kick off Trans-Tasman Travel Bubble by July school holidays.

 

[Gremlin]

If the government isn't too preoccupied with other things like domestic travel, China's blackmailing, states squabbling, internal squabbling and the economy, I suggest they task a group to create a checklist for mandatory acceptable travel arrangements that other countries can use to decide whether to apply to join the Australasia Bubble. Some of the inclusions could be...

Infection Rates
Outbreak procedures
Tracing procedures
Reciprocal medical care rights
Repatriation Processes and costs
Travel Insurance Requirements
Quarantine requirements, expenses and periods

I'm sure there are many others that could be added to the list plus refining of the above to occur.

I agree. But I also think recent experience with a plan to reopen domestic borders is highlighting how difficult this is going to be to get complete alignment once you get down to brass tacks.

 

[p--and--t]

I agree. But I also think recent experience with a plan to reopen domestic borders is highlighting how difficult this is going to be to get complete alignment once you get down to brass tacks.

Spot on, but the earlier they start (& get serious), the earlier something could possibly happen.