Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

[Pom-DownUnder]

Not really shocking.

They were stuffed either way.

Cancel and have all the old boomers attending this event whinge, let it go ahead and quite possibly have it explode into a Ruby Princess 2 and be crucified for it.

apples and oranges, spread at outdoor venues has been incredibly small, indoors / confined spaces ie. cruise ships being perfect conditions and outdoor events being pretty safe.

I dont really buy the in hindsight argument either, they knew going in there was only one positive in the whole town, to shut down millions of dollars of revenue for a relatively small town because of that speaks to an attitude that is so fragile its almost beyond comprehension, with an approach like that we will never open anything ever again.

 

[Pushka]

apples and oranges, spread at outdoor venues has been incredibly small, indoors / confined spaces ie. cruise ships being perfect conditions and outdoor events being pretty safe.

I dont really buy the in hindsight argument either, they knew going in there was only one positive in the whole town, to shut down millions of dollars of revenue for a relatively small town because of that speaks to an attitude that is so fragile its almost beyond comprehension, with an approach like that we will never open anything ever again.

And I’ll state again. There was more than 1 positive in Byron Bay.

 

[kpc]

Whilst the NZ bubble will start soon and other countries my follow in the next 6+ months, I think full opening of our international borders without hotel quarantining on return won't happen in 2021 or 2022 ...think slow vaccine uptake in Australia and rest of world, concerns about blood clots from AZ vaccine that will result in a lot of Aussies refusing it, emregence of vaccine resistant mutations OS etc etc ....

 

[dajop]

and other countries my follow in the next 6+ months,

Unlikely. In relation to the touted bubble with Singapore, Jacinda has already indicated they would rethink the Trans Tasman bubble if Australia opened up to Singapore.

I remain pessimistic and wish the media would stop with their weekly “potential bubble” type articles that are completely divorced from reality.

 

[kpc]

Unlikely. In relation to the touted bubble with Singapore, Jacinda has already indicated they would rethink the Trans Tasman bubble if Australia opened up to Singapore.

Wow...I didn't know that...in that case I'm even more pessimistic about international borders opening without quarantining on return even in 2022!! Maybe 2023....

 

[Mattg]

I've started a thread about the new trans-Tasman bubble here:

Two-way Trans-Tasman Bubble starting 19 April 2021

I thought I'd start a dedicated thread about the start of a two-way trans-Tasman bubble, which will launch at 11.59pm on 18 April 2021. Qantas, Jetstar and Air New Zealand are all subsequently ramping up flights between Australia and New Zealand from 19 April. Great news, although New Zealand's...

www.australianfrequentflyer.com.au

 

[mviy]

With the Pfizer jab required for under 50s that haven't yet had their first dose with no side effects, I think it's looking increasingly likely now that international travel generally (except for travel bubbles such as NZ) won't be allowed till 2022 sometime. Whilst the gap between doses is shorter with Pfizer, getting sufficient supply of it in a timely way could be an issue. One would hope that increased demand for the Pfizer vaccine would lead to Pfizer taking steps to increase supply.

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

And I’ll state again. There was more than 1 positive in Byron Bay.

it was still going ahead when it was 4 cases of QLD people who caught it in QLD and had gone back to QLD, it was one case of community transmission that killed the festival

 

[jakeseven7]

With the Pfizer jab required for under 50s that haven't yet had their first dose with no side effects, I think it's looking increasingly likely now that international travel generally (except for travel bubbles such as NZ) won't be allowed till 2022 sometime. Whilst the gap between doses is shorter with Pfizer, getting sufficient supply of it in a timely way could be an issue. One would hope that increased demand for the Pfizer vaccine would lead to Pfizer taking steps to increase supply.

Agree unless the Feds have done a backroom deal to get the more of the other vaccines, stat - then kick the border can down the road another 12 months or so at least. Sigh.

 

[mviy]

Agree unless the Feds have done a backroom deal to get the more of the other vaccines, stat - then kick the border can down the road another 12 months or so at least. Sigh.

I hope that’s a pessimistic assumption. I’m already looking at my next international trip being several years after my last one and the urge to travel gets ever stronger by the day.

 

[jakeseven7]

I hope that’s a pessimistic assumption. I’m already looking at my next international trip being several years after my last one and the urge to travel gets ever stronger by the day.

Best we can probably hope for is some 'safe' bubbles for a while now...

 

[oznflfan]

Best we can probably hope for is some 'safe' bubbles for a while now...

Throw in a few SE Asian countries to choose from, by the 2 year border closure anniversary March 2022 next year, and that'll keep me happy for a while. No quarantine of course, OK if need to be vaccinated. I'm 2B so hopefully done by late 2021/very early 2022.

 

[dajop]

Best we can probably hope for is some 'safe' bubbles for a while now...

Oh well, at least soon there will be a possibility for those with a desire for some medium-long haul travel to do a 7.5hr flight ...

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Travel bubble to Singapore is better than nothing... but the prices of hotels are astronomical! Supposedly due to a large number of staycations?

I'm hoping for the Koh Samui and coughet bubbles from say around November/December.

 

[burmans]

Oh well, at least soon there will be a possibility for those with a desire for some medium-long haul travel to do a 7.5hr flight ...

One small problem there, haven't they said you need to be vaccinated?

 

[dajop]

One small problem there, haven't they said you need to be vaccinated?

By soon, I meant very soon, in fact later this month, and definitely no vaccine required. So some who are in the right place or others who don’t mind a long long detour can take a 7,5hr flight as of 19 April!

And I might add an excellent use of KF miles!

 

[dajop]

Travel bubble to Singapore is better than nothing... but the prices of hotels are astronomical! Supposedly due to a large number of staycations?

Depends on when and where the stay will be. Resort type hotels (Sentosa) are ridiculously priced around weekends and Marina Bay Sands all the time is crazy. But I can see Hilton later this month for $145++ and Conrad for $238++. Both cheaper than in the other world we used to know.

 

[mviy]

Thinking about this some more, I think it's becoming increasingly likely that the travel ban will remain in place (except for select travel bubbles) until after the next Federal Election. The more the completion of the vaccine rollout is delayed, the more likely that is to be the case.

I think they will want to wait till the summer school holidays are over which takes us to February 2022 and then it would only be a further three months or so to put it after a May election should that be when it takes place. Those three months could be used to try to accelerate bringing people home to clear that backlog before relaxing rules on people leaving.

 

[Toula92122]

I would say if they are going to continue with the lockdown of international borders here whilst every other country accelerates their vaccination program and things return to normal that backlog to a large part might clear itself as what would be the rush to return to Oz if life has returned to normal overseas.

 

[dajop]

I would say if they are going to continue with the lockdown of international borders here whilst every other country accelerates their vaccination program and things return to normal that backlog to a large part might clear itself as what would be the rush to return to Oz if life has returned to normal overseas.

12 months in are people still “rushing” to return to Oz for the better lives ?

I suspect with such a large number of Australians still based overseas, there will always be people wanting to visit family back in Australia. There will also always be changes to circumstances. Someone’s parents get ill. Someone else loses their job and needs to return (for example those in Singapore who are on an employment pass linked to their employer have 30 days to leave the country if they lose their job.) Employment is always dynamic, so someone who was secure in their job in March 2020 and February 2021 may need to come home in June 2021 as their circumstance has changed.
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