Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

[Pushka]

The Australian stated that the couple who brought Covid back into WA and due to hotel ventilation have created the latest issue. had been allowed to exit Australia to attend a wedding in India.

 

[Must...Fly!]

The Australian stated that the couple who brought Covid back into WA and due to hotel ventilation have created the latest issue. had been allowed to exit Australia to attend a wedding in India.

The populist is simply playing his most obvious card, it is a good distraction from his own failings. If the quarantine hotel/system worked appropriately in WA it wouldn't matter where this person had been, when, or for how long.

But I will play along with McGowan (or McClown has he has been annointed by some here, with justification) - what did the person concerned tell the Commonwealth government the purpose of their trip was?

If they said "attend a family wedding" then yes I would lay some blame at the foot of the feds.

If this person said "family member on death's door" and then turned out they attended a wedding - then that is obviously an entirely different story.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

The Australian stated that the couple who brought Covid back into WA and due to hotel ventilation have created the latest issue. had been allowed to exit Australia to attend a wedding in India.

I guess we can't complain about them being allowed to leave the country. Any non-resident Aussie or PR has freedom to travel in and out as many times as they want with no requirement to state a reason, or apply for an exemption to leave again.

Maybe the PCR test within 72 hours of travel should have been backed up by a rapid test at the airport before boarding?

 

[Pushka]

The populist is simply playing his most obvious card, it is a good distraction from his own failings. If the quarantine hotel/system worked appropriately in WA it wouldn't matter where this person had been, when, or for how long.

But I will play along with McGowan (or McClown has he has been annointed by some here, with justification) - what did the person concerned tell the Commonwealth government the purpose of their trip was?

If they said "attend a family wedding" then yes I would lay some blame at the foot of the feds.

If this person said "family member on death's door" and then turned out they attended a wedding - then that is obviously an entirely different story.

If the application was for urgent personal business ( major illness) then I don't see why the wedding would be disclosed by anyone as it's pretty much irrelevant and known only by the couple themselves.

And yes we don't know their citizenship status. Can a non resident return once they've exited?

Its actually the first time I've seen it revealed why the person was granted an exemption.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

And yes we don't know their citizenship status. Can a non resident return once they've exited?

yes - provided the non-resident holds citizenship or PR.

 

[Seat0B]

If the quarantine hotel/system worked appropriately in WA it wouldn't matter where this person had been, when, or for how long.

This! Exactly this! And not just in WA either.

 

[JohnM]

The bloke who got infected by the HQ leakage and roamed widely across Perth has been described in the media as a 'Chinese tourist'. Could it really be the case that a tourist is allowed entry or is it a media muddle?

 

[Pushka]

The bloke who got infected by the HQ leakage and wandered widely across Perth has been described in the media as a 'Chinese tourist'. Could it really be the case that a tourist is allowed entry or is it a media muddle?

He has his family in Victoria so Likely he was simply regarded as a tourist in WA but not a tourist before Australia became a battle of state sectional interests.

 

[jakeseven7]

The bloke who got infected by the HQ leakage and roamed widely across Perth has been described in the media as a 'Chinese tourist'.

Great deflection techniques are in play

 

[mviy]

The Australian stated that the couple who brought Covid back into WA and due to hotel ventilation have created the latest issue. had been allowed to exit Australia to attend a wedding in India.

If attending a wedding was the reason to leave and if one of the couple getting married wasn't terminally ill that would be a frustrating double standard to many who have been denied applications to attend weddings overseas of healthy immediate family members. People can say just watch a livestream but that can never be the same as actually being there for a once in a lifetime event that is never to be repeated that you have been looking forward to for many years. Some people have big families with weddings every few years but for others there may only be a few each generation.

People can also say put off a wedding, but for how long? The government still refuses to say when they will reopen borders or partially relax restrictions. People can't put their lives on hold indefinitely with no promise as to when things will change.

If you're a die hard footy fan with a club membership and your side makes the grand final for the first time in 50 years do you think oh I'll just watch it on TV or do you do everything you can to secure a ticket and attend the ground to experience live what could be a once in a lifetime event? How much more to attend the wedding of a family member.

 

[drron]

The thing that amuses me about the WA/melbourne guy is that he stayed in Perth for a few days after quarantine was over with a woman and they dined all over Perth.
Then flies home to Melbourne and is met by his wife.Maybe I just have a suspicious mind or maybe that is why he wanted to be taken to HQ in Melbourne.

yes - provided the non-resident holds citizenship or PR.

This also annoys me.How can a non resident also have permanent residency.Yes I know they can but to me it is plain ridiculous.

 

[jakeseven7]

The thing that amuses me about the WA/melbourne guy is that he stayed in Perth for a few days after quarantine was over with a woman and they dined all over Perth.

I know it amuses me too, the food in Perth is so average compared to Melbourne

 

[Pushka]

Some people have big families with weddings every few years but for others there may only be a few each generation.

People can also say put off a wedding, but for how long? The government still refuses to say when they will reopen borders or partially relax restrictions. People can't put their lives on hold indefinitely with no promise as to when things will change.

Well yes exactly. Small families = weddings are few and far between. Additionally there are issues like visas, house purchases etc etc where being legally married is extremely important and timing is critical.

 

[sjk]

Hard not to feel sorry for the guy. Does nothing wrong, is infected due to a flawed institutional arrangement, and then gets to have his every move picked apart.

Australia has already lost so much of what it once was as a consequence of the pandemic.

 

[mviy]

I think people should be able to travel overseas for weddings of immediate family where they can't be held here, that restrictions on travel are far too restrictive. However, if a double standard is at play here that I have a problem with. Not a problem with the traveller, but with the decision making process as to who can and who can't travel.

Back when the government was saying that people had had plenty of time to come home to try to justify charging for hotel quarantine, my logical extension of that deeply flawed thinking was well then what's the problem with adding an extra person to the queue letting me depart the country for whatever I feel I need to do? If I take the place from people who the government believes have had plenty of time to come home but chose not to then how would that be unfair?

Well yes exactly. Small families = weddings are few and far between. Additionally there are issues like visas, house purchases etc etc where being legally married is extremely important and timing is critical.

And things like the biological clock if you want to have children. Telling e.g. someone who is 38 to wait to get married with no date in sight to go ahead would be cruel. The government has essentially required people to choose between getting married with their immediate family present or having children.

 

[Pushka]

Hard not to feel sorry for the guy. Does nothing wrong, is infected due to a flawed institutional arrangement, and then gets to have his every move picked apart.

Australia has already lost so much of what it once was as a consequence of the pandemic.

You are right. He did nothing wrong.

 

[focusedbear]

For those dreaming of (more) bubbles. I really don't like when politics gets in the way of (m)any things.

Why Australia isn’t talking about a China travel bubble

China is the next obvious travel bubble given the economic upside and its low coronavirus case numbers but political tensions will get in the way.

www.afr.com

 

[lovetravellingoz]

You are right. He did nothing wrong.

Yes, sounds like scapegoating/ victim blaming to deflect blame.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

For those dreaming of (more) bubbles. I really don't like when politics gets in the way of (m)any things.

Why Australia isn’t talking about a China travel bubble

China is the next obvious travel bubble given the economic upside and its low coronavirus case numbers but political tensions will get in the way.

www.afr.com

I suspect this might be on medical advice and that the numbers in some countries are vastly underreported.

 

[Flashback]

If attending a wedding was the reason to leave and if one of the couple getting married wasn't terminally ill that would be a frustrating double standard to many who have been denied applications to attend weddings overseas of healthy immediate family members. People can say just watch a livestream but that can never be the same as actually being there for a once in a lifetime event that is never to be repeated that you have been looking forward to for many years. Some people have big families with weddings every few years but for others there may only be a few each generation.

People can also say put off a wedding, but for how long? The government still refuses to say when they will reopen borders or partially relax restrictions. People can't put their lives on hold indefinitely with no promise as to when things will change.

If you're a die hard footy fan with a club membership and your side makes the grand final for the first time in 50 years do you think oh I'll just watch it on TV or do you do everything you can to secure a ticket and attend the ground to experience live what could be a once in a lifetime event? How much more to attend the wedding of a family member.

Yes, Mrs FB was unable to attend her mother's funeral last year due to lockdown in the UK and Ireland and no way to get there. Streaming it was just weird.