Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

[mviy]

I'm one of those people. I was meant to get married last year. Put my life on hold due to covid and went through a pretty bad depression last year realising that it will likely also mean I won't have children.

If I was in your situation I'd be considering taking a chance on the NZ loophole, moving overseas and getting married there

Your situation is taking things to a whole other level above what I described.

Regarding Australia, I don't see this news actually impacting AUS in the slightest unfortunately. I cannot believe that WA and QLD premiers are currently holding the Federal government hostage. WA has just halved their international intake again till the end of May - it is an absolute joke. I'm sure some here will be happy with that, as will most of the Australian population.

I think the Feds realise this is a bad situation but with an election coming up and seeing how the QLD and WA premiers were rewarded won't do anything about this at least until after the election. WA has said that they might not raise the intake again back to what it was.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

If I was in your situation I'd be considering taking a chance on the NZ loophole, moving overseas and getting married there

Your situation is taking things to a whole other level above what I described.


I think the Feds realise this is a bad situation but with an election coming up and seeing how the QLD and WA premiers were rewarded won't do anything about this at least until after the election. WA has said that they might not raise the intake again back to what it was.

There are avenues outside of an election - like the courts. And that's probably a case they won't be too keen on losing.

 

[mviy]

There are avenues outside of an election - like the courts. And that's probably a case they won't be too keen on losing.

They could do what they can to delay such a case from being heard if they want and the courts may decide to oblige such a request. Not trying to get my hopes up too much.

 

[jonboixxx]

I think the Feds realise this is a bad situation but with an election coming up

The Gutwein-White town hall this afternoon also indicated that they are also well aware of border issues for the early election in Tasmania this Saturday.

 

[hb13]

If the EU opening up to vaccinated people shows no increase in risk or the spread of covid, it could call into question the validity of declarations made under the Biosecurity act, which are only supposed to be those reasonably necessary.

So what? The government uses this as an excuse to not even allow people to leave. This won't mean anything to the federal government, as they just used the Biosecurity act to justify what they are doing - even if there are other safe ways to bring back Aussies home for example - they won't even consider them.

 

[hb13]

There are avenues outside of an election - like the courts. And that's probably a case they won't be too keen on losing.

The courts is definitely not an avenue that will end up yielding anything. There is literally 0 chance a single person in government will care about the courts, and it is false to say otherwise.

Has the government ever cared about this? If someone takes them to court, what will happen? Literally nothing. Brendan Murphy/State premiers have all the power now.

 

[Flashback]

The article I read said they're allowing anyone with EMA approved vaccinations to travel, which would therefore include the UK.

 

[mviy]

If the courts ruled that fines and imprisonment for travelling breached people's constitutional rights as the border ban was no longer justifiable that could at the very least open the NZ loophole up for travelling overseas.

 

[drron]

Interesting story on an Aussie who used the NZ loophole to travel back to Moscow where he worked pre covid and to his girlfriend.Why in heck wasn't he granted an exemption.

Australians exploit bubble loophole to get to other countries

An Australian art teacher has reportedly jumped through a loophole in the transtasman travel bubble to return to a job in Moscow and his girlfriend...

www.odt.co.nz

 

[Pushka]

Interesting story on an Aussie who used the NZ loophole to travel back to Moscow where he worked pre covid and to his girlfriend.Why in heck wasn't he granted an exemption.

Australians exploit bubble loophole to get to other countries

An Australian art teacher has reportedly jumped through a loophole in the transtasman travel bubble to return to a job in Moscow and his girlfriend...

www.odt.co.nz

I've been following him in a closed FB group. What they are doing to people in such circumstances is wicked. He lives in Russia for goodness sake. That's where his life is.

 

[Flashback]

I've been following him in a closed FB group. What they are doing to people in such circumstances is wicked. He lives in Russia for goodness sake. That's where his life is.

If he was resident overseas then he wouldn't have needed an exemption to leave, so possibly more to the story?

 

[hb13]

If the courts ruled that fines and imprisonment for travelling breached people's constitutional rights as the border ban was no longer justifiable that could at the very least open the NZ loophole up for travelling overseas.

I think there is no chance of this - and even if so, the Australian government doesn't really care what the court says.

If by some miracle a court does rule that, and by another miracle the Federal Government acknowledges that, the NZ/Aus travel bubble will be switched off, or there will be some sort of restriction put on by NZ at the asking of the Australian government.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I think there is no chance of this - and even if so, the Australian government doesn't really care what the court says.

If by some miracle a court does rule that, and by another miracle the Federal Government acknowledges that, the NZ/Aus travel bubble will be switched off, or there will be some sort of restriction put on by NZ at the asking of the Australian government.

Court rulings are binding on government. Parliament can try and change the laws if they want to make them compliant.

 

[roogirl]

If he was resident overseas then he wouldn't have needed an exemption to leave, so possibly more to the story?

I assumed he was a spy

 

[Pushka]

If he was resident overseas then he wouldn't have needed an exemption to leave, so possibly more to the story?

We were told by Hunt he received an exemption. The fact we were told the reason for his exemption is strange. Not happened before. Maybe they, whomever they are, thought there were would sympathy. There isn't. Too many cancelled, deferred, zoom weddings in Australia for any sympathy here.

 

[mviy]

The vagueness of the travel exemption rules is one of the most infuriating things. I applied to travel under one reason and believed I could have also applied under a different reason but my application was denied. Yet someone else gets approved for what seems to be very close to the same reason to travel. It makes little sense.

That's one of the reasons I want the bans to end so we can get our freedoms back to be allowed to make adult decisions for ourselves without the nanny state denying us our rights.

Hopefully later this year things will start to ease up more.

 

[Flashback]

We were told by Hunt he received an exemption. The fact we were told the reason for his exemption is strange. Not happened before. Maybe they, whomever they are, thought there were would sympathy. There isn't. Too many cancelled, deferred, zoom weddings in Australia for any sympathy here.

Was referring to the chap in Russia. If he was working there pre-COVID and his life was there etc. then he wouldn't have needed an exemption to leave Aus to go back to the Kremlim. More to the story I'd suggest....

 

[mviy]

Was referring to the chap in Russia. If he was working there pre-COVID and his life was there etc. then he wouldn't have needed an exemption to leave Aus to go back to the Kremlim. More to the story I'd suggest....

I thought that had already been explained in news articles where it was said that he didn't realise he could leave and applied to leave when he had just stayed too long to have an automatic exemption to go back overseas.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

The vagueness of the travel exemption rules is one of the most infuriating things. I applied to travel under one reason and believed I could have also applied under a different reason but my application was denied. Yet someone else gets approved for what seems to be very close to the same reason to travel. It makes little sense.

That's one of the reasons I want the bans to end so we can get our freedoms back to be allowed to make adult decisions for ourselves without the nanny state denying us our rights.

Hopefully later this year things will start to ease up more.

I think SydneySwan was on the money on the other thread where this came up... late last year/earlier this year if you were leaving for more than three months the exemption was pretty easy to come by. Plus India may have been lower risk at that stage.

 

[dajop]

Was referring to the chap in Russia. If he was working there pre-COVID and his life was there etc. then he wouldn't have needed an exemption to leave Aus to go back to the Kremlim. More to the story I'd suggest....

The article I read suggested he didn't know the time limit (poor excuse IMHO, it's out there if you know where to look), and had overstaid by 6 days. IIRC two tests apply - one that if you spend more than 50% of your time in Australia over a 1-2 year period. But I think there's shades of grey if you leave and come back again. But if you don't leave once, once you hit 12 months (and possibly even 6 month mark), you lose the exemption for "not ordinarily residing in Australia".