Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

[SydneySwan]

As a PR, I can go on a holiday in Europe or the US if I want to, but need to face 3 weeks quarantine on return (or what I'd more likely do, is go from Europe or US to Australia first - do 2 weeks quarantine there , then at least another week in Australia, before returning). We contemplated doing this, but our priority for overseas travel is not holidays - but first and foremost seeing family (mothers, siblings, nieces/nephews) and secondarily, maintaining our property back in Australia, and whilst in theory we could do SG->Europe->Australia would not want to jeopardise seeing family for the sake of a couple of weeks in Europe (given the uncertainty around securing seats).

Are you saying that 3 weeks in Australia exempts you from Singapore quarantine? Or did I completely misinterpret that?

 

[dajop]

Are you saying that 3 weeks in Australia exempts you from Singapore quarantine? Or did I completely misinterpret that?

Yes, quarantine is based on your travel history in the previous 3 weeks.

So if you'd spent time only in the Australia/NZ bubble in the previous 3 weeks, you get a test on arrival in SIN, must then isolate until the test results come back (4-5 hrs), and if negative free to carry on with your life. Unless (as of a week ago) you've been in Victoria in those three weeks, in which case you must isolate at home (or a hotel of your choosing) and get retested after 7 days.

So US->2 weeks quarantine in Sydney-> travel around Australia for a week->Singapore is theoretically possible for Australian citizens who do not normally reside in Australia.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

The Federal Court has published its judgement on the LibertyWorks action: LibertyWorks Inc v Commonwealth of Australia [2021] FCAFC 90 : application dismissed.

 

[mviy]

That's a shame. I wonder how an appeal will go.

Hopefully at some point someone finds a way to get an action to succeed. Otherwise we could be waiting a long time to travel.

 

[jakeseven7]

Wow what a shock. Yawn.

 

[hb13]

The Federal Court has published its judgement on the LibertyWorks action: LibertyWorks Inc v Commonwealth of Australia [2021] FCAFC 90 : application dismissed.

Just more evidence travel isn't happening anytime soon and borders are staying shut for a long time.

 

[hb13]

Yes, quarantine is based on your travel history in the previous 3 weeks.

So if you'd spent time only in the Australia/NZ bubble in the previous 3 weeks, you get a test on arrival in SIN, must then isolate until the test results come back (4-5 hrs), and if negative free to carry on with your life. Unless (as of a week ago) you've been in Victoria in those three weeks, in which case you must isolate at home (or a hotel of your choosing) and get retested after 7 days.

So US->2 weeks quarantine in Sydney-> travel around Australia for a week->Singapore is theoretically possible for Australian citizens who do not normally reside in Australia.

On Singapore's vaccination program - when do you see the whole population (everyone over 12 let's say) being fully vaccinated? Is that plausible this year?

 

[drron]

Canada starting to show some compassion.

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[Batterytraveller]

I shan’t be holding my breath but this sounds promising.

Trial allowing vaccinated Australians to travel overseas could start in six weeks

Pilot program for immunised people to leave and return under relaxed restrictions could begin soon, Greg Hunt tells colleagues

www.theguardian.com

 

[dajop]

On Singapore's vaccination program - when do you see the whole population (everyone over 12 let's say) being fully vaccinated? Is that plausible this year?

The PM has indicated that by 9 August, everyone (12 and over) should have had the opportunity to receive their first jab. I'm not sure if this will be achieved by pushing out duration of second jab, but I expect a significant proportion of the population (those who want the vaccination) should be done by a month or two after that. It all depends on how many actually want to be vaccinated.

 

[hb13]

I shan’t be holding my breath but this sounds promising.

Trial allowing vaccinated Australians to travel overseas could start in six weeks

Pilot program for immunised people to leave and return under relaxed restrictions could begin soon, Greg Hunt tells colleagues

www.theguardian.com

This would seriously be amazing because it effectively means at most 2-3 days quarantine if you test negative.

I'm more than happy to even stay 5 days in hotel quarantine at my expense if it means I can see my family and friends in Australia.

If this happens, it is an absolute game changer.

 

[hb13]

The PM has indicated that by 9 August, everyone (12 and over) should have had the opportunity to receive their first jab. I'm not sure if this will be achieved by pushing out duration of second jab, but I expect a significant proportion of the population (those who want the vaccination) should be done by a month or two after that. It all depends on how many actually want to be vaccinated.

That is great to hear. Hopefully by October they have everyone fully jabbed and can re-open borders up, or borders to those who are also fully jabbed.

From what I have read, if a country's whole population is fully vaccinated, then allowing people to come from lower risk areas who are also fully vaccinated surely presents very low risk.

 

[burmans]

It is interesting to see that all the shining lights of COVID success (Taiwan, Thailand, Singapore, Viet Nam, Australia) have fallen into the same trap of “hiding under the doona” and are now suffering breakouts and are arguably in the worst position they’ve been in thus far (as the world superpowers start to turn a corner and recover). Hiding clearly isn’t the way out of this, and governments are now in the difficult position of having to admit that their positions were basically wrong (yet they’ll never say this).

I vaguely remember making this exact prediction 12 months ago.

Personally I’d say their position was probably right for the times, but times have well and truly changed

 

[hb13]

It is interesting to see that all the shining lights of COVID success (Taiwan, Thailand, Singapore, Viet Nam, Australia) have fallen into the same trap of “hiding under the doona” and are now suffering breakouts and are arguably in the worst position they’ve been in thus far (as the world superpowers start to turn a corner and recover). Hiding clearly isn’t the way out of this, and governments are now in the difficult position of having to admit that their positions were basically wrong (yet they’ll never say this).

I vaguely remember making this exact prediction 12 months ago.

Absolutely spot on. These countries could have been just as advanced as the US/UK in terms of vaccine rollout and possibly even ahead because their hospitals would not have been basically at breaking point like the US/UK/Europe etc.

The arrogance, particularly in Australia of "we've done such a great job and we can take our time with the vaccine" is clearly proving to be detrimental and will continue to do so till the roll-out speeds up significantly.

 

[mviy]

I shan’t be holding my breath but this sounds promising.

Trial allowing vaccinated Australians to travel overseas could start in six weeks

Pilot program for immunised people to leave and return under relaxed restrictions could begin soon, Greg Hunt tells colleagues

www.theguardian.com

Amazing. I'd volunteer for the trial if I knew how and if I was vaccinated and if the trial was starting in a couple of weeks not six weeks, but I hope this means I can travel later in the year to the U.K.

 

[dajop]

Absolutely spot on. These countries could have been just as advanced as the US/UK in terms of vaccine rollout and possibly even ahead because their hospitals would not have been basically at breaking point like the US/UK/Europe etc.

Despite being under the doona, Singapore isn't that far behind US actually, given it started one month later. Australia obviously lagging.

To be cynical, Murdoch Press is still by and large going easy on vaccination role out in Australia (this evening carrying stories about PM defending jab rollout and Victoria government's "cheap shots" at the federal government re aged care and the rollout) , and Victoria (where concern is most acute) is not in play in the election so it's probably not going to accelerate very much. Uncle Rupert will provide the necessary support to ensure that the roll out is being viewed as being very much on track.

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[JB expat]

Amazing. I'd volunteer for the trial if I knew how and if I was vaccinated and if the trial was starting in a couple of weeks not six weeks, but I hope this means I can travel later in the year to the U.K.

Wow - this is the most positive news I have seen on this topic. If I can get to the USA by October, I will be so happy (I will be fully vaccinated in 2 weeks).

 

[mviy]

Even if the trial succeeds it would still require agreement from the states, I presume and at first they could still require exemptions but with more broad criteria.

 

[SydneySwan]

I shan’t be holding my breath but this sounds promising.

Trial allowing vaccinated Australians to travel overseas could start in six weeks

Pilot program for immunised people to leave and return under relaxed restrictions could begin soon, Greg Hunt tells colleagues

www.theguardian.com

I am very cynical about this. I think this is a thought bubble to gauge reaction. It is how the federal government road tests possible policies these days.

 

[burmans]

I am very cynical about this. I think this is a thought bubble to gauge reaction. It is how the federal government road tests possible policies these days.

Nah, if that was what they were doing it would be a News outlet.