Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

[roogirl]

Good point as to how it would work. Maybe they will change the rule so that you now need an inbound exemption?

If they leave the rules the same... aussies resident here have to apply for an exemption to leave to be with partner, family and/or work - and those aren't automatic. So I guess they'd apply the same rules to visitors?

But in what situation would a person ordinarily resident overseas NOT be able to demonstrate they intended to leave permanently? By definition, they have compelling ties o/s. I just don’t get it (other than the fear factor which will work for a couple of months).

 

[Chalkie]

Having concerns about AZ doesnt make one an anti-vaxxer. I followed the recommendation, registerd for Pizer the day it opened to my cohort and am fully vaccinated all without risk of TTS.

This analysis shows a 4.1 in a million incidence of CVT with each of the mRNA vaccines, and on the basis of the outcomes of this review, your choice of the Pfizer vaccine was not at all without risk of post-vaccination TTS/CVT/CVST: British Medical Journal Article. I've posted this before, along with a graphical representation of the comparative risk profile: Clotting Risks.

 

[Pushka]

But in what situation would a person ordinarily resident overseas NOT be able to demonstrate they intended to leave permanently? By definition, they have compelling ties o/s. I just don’t get it (other than the fear factor which will work for a couple of months).

Honestly? I think it's equity to limit people living overseas from coming and going, multiple times, into Australia and then just exiting. They won't stop people who need to make a visit for legitimate purposes, eg visas etc. And I am saying this with a son in UK whom I'd always thought could come visit us, yet I can't go visit him. So I do have skin in the game. But I actually think this is fair to Aussies living here.

 

[sjk]

Assume you mean financial compnesation is paid to your dependent family in the UK if the vaccine kills you?

5 of the AZ deaths in Australia were in people in the age group where Pfizer is the recommended vaccine, who would otherwise likely still be alive had they waited for Pfizer/Moderna. Can any level of compensation make up for a completely avoidable loss of life?



My choice was informed by many things:

1. Pfizer the preferred and recommended vaccine for my age group, not only in Australia but also in Europe where AZ is only for over 65s.

2. Pfizer offered the shortest duration to full vaccination (3 weeks vs 12 weeks)

3. AZ induced TTS disproportinately affects women, and the generally less serious potential heart issues that can arise from Pfizer (which have not killed any Australians) is mostly a risk for young men. Being a woman Pfizer presented less of a risk to me.

4. Pfizer has the benefit of being recognised in places i plan to frequently travel to when borders reopen. The USA does not recognise AZ and people arriving vaccinated with AZ are needing to get vaccinated again with Pfizer/Moderna/J&J to get vaccine privilege in USA. The EU also doenst currently recognise AZ manufactured outside the EU or UK.

If other people eligible for Pfizer want to go the AZ route they can consent to do so, they are entitled to assess their own personal risk appetite. Im delighted with the choice I made, and apart from extremem lethagy for 24 hours have had no ill effects.

Pfizer has been key to getting much of the front line health workers vaccinated to date, and the mrna vacines will continue to be a key part of the program going forward. I stand by my statement that you wont get to 70 or 80% with AZ alone.

MRNA vaccines are needed for the 12-17s, pregnant women those trying to coneceive, the AZ hesitant etc. Even the UK did not rely solely on AZ.

Could we please limit the uninformed innumerate vaccine-related babble to the vaccine rollout thread? Not that we need it at all.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

But in what situation would a person ordinarily resident overseas NOT be able to demonstrate they intended to leave permanently? By definition, they have compelling ties o/s. I just don’t get it (other than the fear factor which will work for a couple of months).

I think any Aussie citizen can only ever be assumed to depart temporarily? Even if 'temporarily' means a year or more. Eventually their visa/permit or whatever will expire and they'll have to come back, or they'll want to come back to see family. And indeed they have a right - in theory - to come back.

The only way to show you are permanently going to leave would be to renounce your Aussie citizenship, then be subject to a visa to get back - which would not be guaranteed.

That's why I think there will need to be some sort of permit system purely to come back - with grounds for the visit to be justified. Otherwise I agree I don't know how it will work.

 

[mviy]

That's why I think there will need to be some sort of permit system purely to come back - with grounds for the visit to be justified. Otherwise I agree I don't know how it will work.

Any announcement of a permit system to come back would probably quickly lead to a legal challenge.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Any announcement of a permit system to come back would probably quickly lead to a legal challenge.

It might do - but what chance of success? Especially if those intending to return to Australia permanently would get automatic approval.

Anyway as posted in the other main thread, the rules around non-resident exemptions have not been posted on the Cth website - pretty easy to satisfy! Leaving Australia | COVID-19 and the border

 

[Pushka]

It might do - but what chance of success? Especially if those intending to return to Australia permanently would get automatic approval.

Anyway as posted in the other main thread, the rules around non-resident exemptions have not been posted on the Cth website - pretty easy to satisfy! Leaving Australia | COVID-19 and the border

Those three month rules have also been slightly relaxed I believe. Especially caring for sick relatives. Used to be considered for life/death situations only.

 

[bcworld]

Any announcement of a permit system to come back would probably quickly lead to a legal challenge.

Wasn't the complete ban on travel from India upheld by a court?

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Wasn't the complete ban on travel from India upheld by a court?

I thought they said they 'should be allowed to return'. But as it was the international court it had little impact on the Aust government.

 

[mviy]

It may still fail but surely banning people from anywhere in the world from returning is going a lot further than the India ban.

 

[bcworld]

It may still fail but surely banning people from anywhere in the world from returning is going a lot further than the India ban.

The principle is the same. Australian citizens forbidden from returning...in fact the India situation is worse with no permit option.

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

updated from last week

 

[sydneyboi]

updated from last week
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thank you for doing this, based on this will we get to 70% by December/Jan ? Thank you

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

i'm showing late nov for 80% but mileage will deff vary when enthusiasm is replaced with the hesitant.

fingers crossed. i'm booked for dec to have christmas with my nephews

 

[sydneyboi]

i'm showing late nov for 80% but mileage will deff vary when enthusiasm is replaced with the hesitant.

fingers crossed. i'm booked for dec to have christmas with my nephews

I hope you get to go I have next easter booked for Europe on points so i hope it happens ....

 

[oznflfan]

I hope you get to go I have next easter booked for Europe on points so i hope it happens ....

I'm wanting two weeks in Europe July 2022, thinking booking with Singapore Airlines nowish, but still not convinced I'll be let out of Australia. I could live with 7 days home quarantine. Crossed fingers for all of us, if we can get to 80% by Easter I think that will be a herculean effort.

 

[Seat0B]

Things seem to be moving backwards...living in Melbourne, my glass is pretty much less than half empty today...

‘Barbaric’: Returning citizens who live abroad will need permission to leave Australia

The move serves as a deterrent for Australians who live abroad but may need to return home for distress travel as it could prohibit them from being able to return to their life overseas.

www.theage.com.au

Me too

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Doherty institute mapping has everyone vaccinated by end of January. That is who the Feds are using for their modelling so if this Govt refuses to allow people to travel at that time, then this granny will become a full on freedom demonstrator.

Me too

 

[Seat0B]

Well the one thing that could stop that is if the polls suggest a backlash at the ballot box. There are elections.

How do I get selecte for a poll????

 

[Tiki]

Surely we can spare enough AZ to help Fiji? Such a small population and assuming 700,000 are over 12, less than 1 weeks production could save the whole country.