Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

[Pushka]

Gladys again said today that we need to learn to live with Delta once we reach 80% and NSW are just living with it a bit earlier than expected and 80% triggers freedoms, international travel etc.

We might have 700 odd cases a day but still have the most sensible premier

I just STRUGGLE to understand how states like WA and QLD will turn their mindset into 'letting COVID in' from international travel once they reach high vax rates. It's actually quite frightening if you live in those states.

It's sad in SA that many people just don't get it. I'm calling covid zero the Unicorn in social sites and interestingly it is getting some traction, whilst others think Australia can do without NSW. It's quite pathetic. I had no idea people were so insular and well, basically stupid. Might start calling them cave dwellers.

One of WA's favourite get aways is Bali. That might cause some ructions.

 

[oznflfan]

It's sad in SA that many people just don't get it. I'm calling covid zero the Unicorn in social sites and interestingly it is getting some traction, whilst others think Australia can do without NSW. It's quite pathetic. I had no idea people were so insular and well, basically stupid. Might start calling them cave dwellers.

One of WA's favourite get aways is Bali. That might cause some ructions.

Half of Bali's tourists are from Perth. Seeing NSW and the rest of the country holidaying there you'll see burning effigy's of a certain Premier.

 

[dajop]

The Bali thing will be interesting, I suspect other destinations will play out for travel well before Bali does, especially if there is a "traffic light" system implemented initially. Bali won't be on the green or probably even the orange list initially. Even for NSW.

 

[oznflfan]

The Bali thing will be interesting, I suspect other destinations will play out for travel well before Bali does, especially if there is a "traffic light" system implemented initially. Bali won't be on the green or probably even the orange list initially. Even for NSW.

I know, just making fun of WA.

A lot of European countries have far cases less per population than NSW, and of course some have way higher. You'd think by middle of 2022 and peak summer holiday period all of Europe would be COVID SHMOVID, even if reasonably high cases. Cases will always be less than flu, deaths probably greater even with vaccinations, but we have to move forward and live. We'll just be one of the last to acknowledge it, and any acknowledgement everyone knows will come after May 2022.

 

[mviy]

I just STRUGGLE to understand how states like WA and QLD will turn their mindset into 'letting COVID in' from international travel once they reach high vax rates. It's actually quite frightening if you live in those states.

Well Fed government could choose to try things like:

• Refusing to provide financial support for lockdowns for states that don't stick to the National Cabinet plan, to refuse to bail out states that have rejected the Federal health advice.
• Backing court challenges to state restrictions, and argue that the Federal health advice indicates that the restrictions the state imposes are no longer necessary.

A Federal government backed challenge to state restrictions affecting international travel is more likely to be successful than one that is not.

 

[Matt_01]

I am just hoping that post May 22 someone in government will introduce some type of traffic light system like the UK and as a vaccinated Australian, if travelling back from countries where Covid is under reasonable control or have a high percentage of the population vaccinated I can arrive back, do a covid test and depending on the results not even worry about quarantine.

 

[bernardblack]

Well Fed government could choose to try things like:

• Refusing to provide financial support for lockdowns for states that don't stick to the National Cabinet plan, to refuse to bail out states that have rejected the Federal health advice.
• Backing court challenges to state restrictions, and argue that the Federal health advice indicates that the restrictions the state imposes are no longer necessary.

A Federal government backed challenge to state restrictions affecting international travel is more likely to be successful than one that is not.

But they could be doing that now, and they aren't.

 

[OATEK]

Well the Fed government could choose to try things like:

• Refusing to provide financial support for lockdowns for states that don't stick to the National Cabinet plan, to refuse to bail out states that have rejected the Federal health advice.
• Backing court challenges to state restrictions, and argue that the Federal health advice indicates that the restrictions the state imposes are no longer necessary.

A Federal government backed challenge to state restrictions affecting international travel is more likely to be successful than one that is not.

Will depend on many factors. Would a fed govt take on a state government of their own philosophy over internal borders? Will a fed govt just allow overseas visitors across the border willy nilly? Lots to play out before we have any idea.

 

[jrfsp]

Well the Fed government could choose to try things like:

• Refusing to provide financial support for lockdowns for states that don't stick to the National Cabinet plan, to refuse to bail out states that have rejected the Federal health advice.
• Backing court challenges to state restrictions, and argue that the Federal health advice indicates that the restrictions the state imposes are no longer necessary.

A Federal government backed challenge to state restrictions affecting international travel is more likely to be successful than one that is not.

Didnt the Fed gov back clive palmers court case? Which Lost.....

 

[mviy]

But they could be doing that now, and they aren't.

It's much harder politically to do that before an election, particularly now when the borders have proved popular and the vaccine rollout has a long way to go than after the election when the following election is 3 years away and we have much higher vaccination rates.

 

[I love to travel]

Anyone who thinks anything will change after any election is kidding themselves. Polling data is clear people don't like the setting but get why we have them. State based lockdown will still happen when case numbers spike and forget open international travel in 2022.

 

[jrfsp]

Anyone who thinks anything will change after any election is kidding themselves. Polling data is clear people don't like the setting but get why we have them. State based lockdown will still happen when case numbers spike and forget open international travel in 2022.

I think that open travel in the pre-covid way is gone. Get used to the idea of pre and post-travel testing, passes, masks, heaven forbid you test positive while on holiday, red, green every colour of the rainbow lists.

 

[Matt_01]

forget open international travel in 2022

I am optimistic that in the second half of next year international travel will back on the cards. AU hid under the dooner for 15 months, did not order enough vacineen, stated "it is not a race", was slow to commence the rollout and the pressers had a field day with AZ and clots (which seems to be now out of the media). Look at where we are now and how far we have slipped down the slope of despair. It is time to change, open up and get on with life.

 

[mviy]

Didnt the Fed gov back clive palmers court case? Which Lost.....

They withdrew their support, which is part of the reason it lost.

After the election if they feel public opinion has shifted especially which much higher vaccination rates they may take a different view.

We need to begin to ease international travel restrictions certainly after the election next year if we haven't before. If some states want to keep the current level of restrictions going then at some point something's got to give.

 

[oznflfan]

I am optimistic that in the second half of next year international travel will back on the cards. AU hid under the dooner for 15 months, did not order enough vacineen, stated "it is not a race", was slow to commence the rollout and the pressers had a field day with AZ and clots (which seems to be now out of the media). Look at where we are now and how far we have slipped down the slope of despair. It is time to change, open up and get on with life.

Confident of 'safe bubbles' like NZ/Singapore say March 2022 (he needs to give travellers something before May date), but wider non bubble travel like Europe and USA agree second half of 2022.

Relatively free travel early to mid 2023, and by then it'll only be airlines that ask for vaccination status, nowhere else, and hopefully we hardly ever hear the word COVID in 2023.

I'm mentally locked in for Late June to early August 2023:

France: Normandy landing beaches
UK: Goodwood Festival of Speed
Hungary: Spa's
Poland: all over

Almost positive European and US summer will be close to normal in 2022, and absolutely back to normal in 2023.

 

[Matt_01]

@oznflfan I also think it may have to do with who wins the election, the labour leader is on record from mid July this year "Labor leader Anthony Albanese has suggested Australia would not reopen to the world under his leadership until the country has the capability to manufacture mRNA vaccines, which might not be until 2023." I am not up to date with local nRNA vaccine production so if the current PM can source vaccines from elsewhere and open the country earlier I am all for that.

 

[Pushka]

@oznflfan I also think it may have to do with who wins the election, the labour leader is on record from mid July this year "Labor leader Anthony Albanese has suggested Australia would not reopen to the world under his leadership until the country has the capability to manufacture mRNA vaccines, which might not be until 2023." I am not up to date with local nRNA vaccine production so if the current PM can source vaccines from elsewhere and open the country earlier I am all for that.

I just hope that each candidate is grilled on their approach to border control

 

[Seat0B]

Gladys again said today that we need to learn to live with Delta once we reach 80% and NSW are just living with it a bit earlier than expected and 80% triggers freedoms, international travel etc.

We might have 700 odd cases a day but still have the most sensible premier

I just STRUGGLE to understand how states like WA and QLD will turn their mindset into 'letting COVID in' from international travel once they reach high vax rates. It's actually quite frightening if you live in those states.

Well, moving house is a reason to travel, so there is a solution for them (only semi-joking when I say this).

 

[coyote25]

Well after the election the new Fed government could choose to try things like:

• Refusing to provide financial support for lockdowns for states that don't stick to the National Cabinet plan, to refuse to bail out states that have rejected the Federal health advice.
• Backing court challenges to state restrictions, and argue that the Federal health advice indicates that the restrictions the state imposes are no longer necessary.

A Federal government backed challenge to state restrictions affecting international travel is more likely to be successful than one that is not.

The worry with this approach is the Federal election might be as late as May 2022 and I doubt it will be earlier than February 2022 so still a fair time away.

Once we get to those figures of vaccinations then even before the Federal election it should be time to remove financial support unless something drastic is happening ie hospitals totally overrun.

Personally I’m more in the everyone had at chance to vaccination camp plus two weeks (to take full effect) and that should be late November at the latest but hopefully earlier.

 

[Batterytraveller]

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