Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

[Telemachus]

My understanding is that the linking of the passport to vaccination status is primarily intended for streamlining arrival back to Australia. It may be that that is all that it is for. If you just have to scan your passport on arrival then they can quickly verify that you are eligible for home quarantine, especially if you can use an app to link your COVID test results to your Australian Passport as well. If border force have to manually check too many documents it will slow the process down too much to have scale in passenger numbers. With the restrictions as most travellers to Australia will be Australians a bit more manual processing of foreigners and Australians who were vaccinated overseas or are unvaccinated should be manageable.

For departure when you are leaving Australia, Australia probably don't care as much about vaccination status and the airlines can do a lot of the checking at check-in prior to giving a boarding pass to meet the airline and your destination's requirements.

Verification of vaccination status on arrival overseas could be using a separate document or an app with a QR code that can be scanned to verify vaccination status.

OK, thanks. I don't doubt your suggestion that a primary purpose in linking the new international digital certificate to the subject's Australian passport is to manage inbound pax arriving here. I may have misconstrued the initial announcements from Canberra but I thought the scope extended also to enabling foreign recognition, on arrival overseas, of the status of pax with AU-delivered jabs. According to the Guardian on 8 Sept: Tehan said the government was working to develop a QR code with the International Civil Aviation Organisation so the vaccine certificates would be internationally recognised.

If I was interpreting that report correctly (and the article was accurate) the app carrying the vax certificate and test results could, I imagine, operate like APIS: the details will be made available pre-flight to immigration authorities at the international destination port and the pax may be denied boarding by the carrier if all is not in order. But I could have it all wrong and we are still awaiting another solution.

I expect you and others are right that there will be no provision for Australian vax status information, pulled from the AIR, to be linked to a foreign passport. Hence my concern about undesirable consequences of the Commonwealth plan to tie the certificate to the Australian passport chip and number. So, even if the international certificate is accepted by other countries as proof of vaccination status, it may only work seamlessly for those departing Australia, arriving at their overseas destination and returning on an Australian passport.

I agree it would be preferable for the international certificate to be able to be presented and accepted independently of a particular passport. We shall just have to wait and see. I feel for those who are having to travel while so much remains unsettled, and with the risk of being ushered into quarantine (in the UK for example) despite being fully vaccinated here.

 

[mviy]

It's possible the QR code could still be available for those without an Australian Passport, just not linked or not linked as well.

Some countries may have ways of registering overseas vaccines so it may only be a problem for the one trip for frequent flyers if a foreigner could get their vaccinations taken in Australia linked to their passport when in their home country.

The new digital border pass has made the front page of tomorrow's SMH.

 

[sydunipete]

More on-topic news:

Air Canada resumes Sydney flights from December 17​

Air Canada resumes Sydney flights from December 17

 

[Batterytraveller]

Yea I was asking this a week or so ago, if they are linking it to passport i'm PR but not citizen so dont have AU passport, cant see UK passport linking to AU vaccination mygov.

This is actually one of the things I worry least about. Australian government IT is actually quite good, and quite well joined up. (perhaps this is just my rose tinted glasses from moving from the US Tax forms to Australian ones, The Australian ones are orders of magnitude better)

I still wish they had been working on this and testing this 6 months ago, it's not like these requirements are a big surprise.

 

[Matt_01]

How long do people think the requirement for vaccinated PAX to travel without the need for Covid tests 3 days prior to entry into another country. Maybe I am looking at this from the wrong angle but if travelling to the UK from AU through a greenzone port I will not be required to go into quarantine and if I read correctly the UK are going to stop using vaccine passports, so what is the point of the pre arrival test.

 

[N860CR]

Just got kicked off an SQ SIN-SYD in late November. Paid business class ticket. No seats available until 7 Jan at the earliest. Seems they’re not expecting the capacity limits to lift before the end of the year.

 

[ayushamity]

Just got kicked off an SQ SIN-SYD in late November. Paid business class ticket. No seats available until 7 Jan at the earliest. Seems they’re not expecting the capacity limits to lift before the end of the year.

Unofficial sources state that Emirates and Singapore Airlines have canned their service for the whole of 2022 and Qatar and Etihad are going to cancel as well. Will be out in the media this week.

The airlines have the rest of the world open to trade with. They are not going to bend their ways on the whims of a mad prime minister. Airlines need time to plan and they are sick of the fact that flight caps can be reduced with no notice.

Qantas will hold a monopoly at this rate.

 

[Jousams]

Just got kicked off an SQ SIN-SYD in late November. Paid business class ticket. No seats available until 7 Jan at the earliest. Seems they’re not expecting the capacity limits to lift before the end of the year.

What a joke

Unofficial sources state that Emirates and Singapore Airlines have canned their service for the whole of 2022 and Qatar and Etihad are going to cancel as well. Will be out in the media this week.

The airlines have the rest of the world open to trade with. They are not going to bend their ways on the whims of a mad prime minister. Airlines need time to plan and they are sick of the fact that flight caps can be reduced with no notice.

Qantas will hold a monopoly at this rate.

from a trade perspective this is going to hurt the country. Ultimately it might pull the politicians into line and open up things earlier than expected.

 

[justinbrett]

I would not be surprised if Qantas lobbies the government to restrict home quarantine to airlines with a vaccine mandate (ie, not just vaccinated travellers).

Unofficial sources state that Emirates and Singapore Airlines have canned their service for the whole of 2022 and Qatar and Etihad are going to cancel as well. Will be out in the media this week.

The airlines have the rest of the world open to trade with. They are not going to bend their ways on the whims of a mad prime minister. Airlines need time to plan and they are sick of the fact that flight caps can be reduced with no notice.

Qantas will hold a monopoly at this rate.

I'll believe that when I see it. If they've been flying throughout with ridiculously low caps, I can't see why they would cancel now, especially as the largest state and market has declared an end to the caps. Especially Singapore, when they're widely tipped to be one of the first QFT bubbles.

That being said, Qantas is in the front seat to make the most of mostly outbound travel and possible advantage with a vaccine mandate.

 

[N860CR]

Unofficial sources state that Emirates and Singapore Airlines have canned their service for the whole of 2022 and Qatar and Etihad are going to cancel as well. Will be out in the media this week.

The airlines have the rest of the world open to trade with. They are not going to bend their ways on the whims of a mad prime minister. Airlines need time to plan and they are sick of the fact that flight caps can be reduced with no notice.

Can’t blame them, to be honest.

I know it’s just a call centre… but the few people I spoke to blatantly said the same thing; “it’s because of your government and their restrictions”. It’s not common for Filipino call centre workers to break from script, so I’d say SQ have been fairly blunt with them.

 

[mviy]

The foreign airlines have been very patient, but with the rest of the world opening up that patience can only last so long. I guess if it's just QANTAS, QANTAS could have to put on more flights than they expected to meet demand.

 

[antycbr]

What a joke

from a trade perspective this is going to hurt the country. Ultimately it might pull the politicians into line and open up things earlier than expected.

We need this for freight uplift if nothing else outbound for our high value argicultural exporters, and all those high value imports coming inbound

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

Unofficial sources state that Emirates and Singapore Airlines have canned their service for the whole of 2022 and Qatar and Etihad are going to cancel as well. Will be out in the media this week.

The airlines have the rest of the world open to trade with. They are not going to bend their ways on the whims of a mad prime minister. Airlines need time to plan and they are sick of the fact that flight caps can be reduced with no notice.

Qantas will hold a monopoly at this rate.

A bluff or think they will do it? i'm booked on EK both to UK in Dec and back in Jan

 

[ayushamity]

The foreign airlines have been very patient, but with the rest of the world opening up that patience can only last so long

Pretty much. Until last year and early this year, airlines had no choice but to suck it up due to the global shutdown.

But with the rest of the world now open or close to open, why would you bend to a backward country like Australia.

 

[ayushamity]

A bluff or think they will do it? i'm booked on EK both to UK in Dec and back in Jan

People holding cancelled tickets have been told by Emirates staff that there are no plans to take passengers between Dubai and Australia in 2022 at this stage. Singapore Airlines has also done the same this week, cancelling all passenger tickets from late 2021 and advising no passenger rebooking options exist in 2022 at this time.

 

[mviy]

It'd be pretty ridiculous if QF was back flying the A380 SYD-SIN-LHR and no other airline was flying between Sydney and London.

The airlines need a firm commitment for us to open up and stay open.

 

[N860CR]

Singapore Airlines has also done the same this week, cancelling all passenger tickets from late 2021 and advising no passenger rebooking options exist in 2022 at this time.

Yep. I just pushed my booking out to September 2022. That was basically the only option. SQ simply aren’t selling seats to Australia anytime soon.

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

People holding cancelled tickets have been told by Emirates staff that there are no plans to take passengers between Dubai and Australia in 2022 at this stage. Singapore Airlines has also done the same this week, cancelling all passenger tickets from late 2021 and advising no passenger rebooking options exist in 2022 at this time.

So you really think i'm screwed? >.<

 

[Pushka]

But you can make a new booking on SQ for next year.

People holding cancelled tickets have been told by Emirates staff that there are no plans to take passengers between Dubai and Australia in 2022 at this stage. Singapore Airlines has also done the same this week, cancelling all passenger tickets from late 2021 and advising no passenger rebooking options exist in 2022 at this time.

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

But you can make a new booking on SQ for next year.

no prices coming up till 4/3/2022 on SQ site