Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

[mviy]

If NSW has a much shorter home quarantine and if you can stay there a week and then travel from there to other states without further quarantine that could boost NSW tourism.

 

[Princess Fiona]

Out of interest, what makes you think that? UK home quarantine is 10 days and always has been, they've not felt it appropriate to reduce it despite it being around for 18 months or so now.

But they have Test to release at 5 days home quarantine.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

If NSW has a much shorter home quarantine and if you can stay there a week and then travel from there to other states without further quarantine that could boost NSW tourism.

It would depend on what the State border situation is.

For example WA is likely to keep NSW as extreme risk, so it would mean double quarantine.
In another example, Victoria might let NSW transits come in without any State quanratine.

 

[oznflfan]

It would depend on what the State border situation is.

For example WA is likely to keep NSW as extreme risk, so it would mean double quarantine.
In another example, Victoria might let NSW transits come in without any State quanratine.

Will affect early travellers to and from Perth if they need to get to a different state to depart the country going yes. By mid 2022 we should have NO state bordee restrictions for any reason.

 

[jrfsp]

I see at the moment there is talk (denial from government) of the uk planning a october lockdown circuit breaker

I think it will be interesting to see what happens in the northern hemisphere this winter - but if there are lockdowns / restrictions could really dampen propect of any meaningful intl travel

 

[Pushka]

I see at the moment there is talk (denial from government) of the uk planning a october lockdown circuit breaker

I think it will be interesting to see what happens in the northern hemisphere this winter - but if there are lockdowns / restrictions could really dampen propect of any meaningful intl travel

Where is the talk?

 

[jrfsp]

Where is the talk?

Lots of media reports

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58474536&ved=2ahUKEwj2genHhPTyAhXTR30KHbLYAuYQvOMEKAB6BAgCEAE&usg=AOvVaw1K19jh_Gm9EVaNJUlutC6h

 

[Comoman]

Lots of media reports

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58474536&ved=2ahUKEwj2genHhPTyAhXTR30KHbLYAuYQvOMEKAB6BAgCEAE&usg=AOvVaw1K19jh_Gm9EVaNJUlutC6h

One article in one newspaper is not lots of media reports. Life is pretty much back to normal here - the West End of London was heaving the other evening.

All the tales of cases rocketing when schools went back have not happened. Even Prof Ferguson publicly admitted he got it wrong.

 

[mviy]

I’d rather risk being locked down with family in the UK for a few weeks than not go.

 

[Maisy33]

So desperate to go to the US- Have been pushing my LSL leave each year, surely May 2022 might be possible or Mark may think otherwise

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

Just saw this in regard to UAE going to amber, hopefully the uk make it green and/or accept aussie vaccination records before december >.<

 

[Lat34]

Just saw this in regard to UAE going to amber, hopefully the uk make it green and/or accept aussie vaccination records before december >.<

Have seen this in reverse order - ad first then behind the scenes. Stunning effort by all concerned

 

[jakeseven7]

I thought the UK were dumping their traffic light system anyway?

This article surfaced today:

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Foreign airlines at risk of pulling out, leading to fewer flights, higher fares​

The country’s airports have warned the federal government that foreign airlines are at risk of pulling out of Australia even as the country reopens its international border, leading to fewer seats and higher prices, unless clearer plans are locked in immediately.

The cautious reopening being planned by the federal government is centred around a series of “bubbles” with Singapore, the Pacific Islands, Japan, South Korea, the United Kingdom and United States. It is expected vaccinated Australians who travel to those places will be able to quarantine at home upon their return.

Quarantine arrangements for Australians who go to other countries have not been decided, though it is likely there will be a system for grading countries according to COVID risk, with “proportionate” quarantine requirements applying.

Last week Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews said the home quarantine period for those coming from low-risk countries could be as low as two to four days.

However, Sydney Airport and the Australian Airports Association have raised doubts about the government’s reopening plan, saying airlines need long lead times to re-establish flights, and insufficient information has been provided to allow services to restart.

Foreign airlines at risk of pulling out, leading to fewer flights, higher fares

The country’s airports have warned the federal government that foreign airlines are at risk of pulling out of Australia, even as the country reopens its international border, unless clearer plans are locked in immediately.

www.theage.com.au

 

[bam71]

This is the type of information I’ve wanted to see aggregated. The list of countries where the bubbles are expected, and the quarantine arrangements upon return. I just wish the AU gov would come out with some sort of potentials for travel as well, then we can really start planning, even for just a short OS trip.

 

[Batterytraveller]

As ever with this government it appears that very little work is done beyond the initial announcement. I can remember earlier in the year Singapore airlines coming out public ally and bemoaning the lack of work being done one the bubble procedures. As can be seen from the German travel corridor to Singapore these arrangements are complex and don’t happen overnight.

 

[sydunipete]

Some good news:

How to get your EU covid pass based on your Australian vaccinations:

France's vaccine passport is now available to Australians

Hawaiian Airlines return to Sydney mid-December.

Hawaiian Airlines set to resume flights to Australia?

 

[oznflfan]

Hopefully some info comes out this Friday at National Cabinet Meeting. They will run out of time unless they announce pretty firm plans and timeframes if flights going out December. Don't mean to be killjoy, but governments slow action on how return/quarantine will work may push back opening into March next year. It'll be a dogs breakfast flying oversea's in first few months in any case.

 

[oznflfan]

Some good news:

How to get your EU covid pass based on your Australian vaccinations:

France's vaccine passport is now available to Australians

Hawaiian Airlines return to Sydney mid-December.

Hawaiian Airlines set to resume flights to Australia?

Good for me, Normandy and NW France calling, sometime between end of March to mid September I will be there. Timing to a large extent depends on my confidence on how well I can get back on quarantine/no quarantine basis, plus my ability to get a third vaccine booster shot before I leave.

 

[OATEK]

I thought the UK were dumping their traffic light system anyway?

This article surfaced today:

———

Foreign airlines at risk of pulling out, leading to fewer flights, higher fares​

The country’s airports have warned the federal government that foreign airlines are at risk of pulling out of Australia even as the country reopens its international border, leading to fewer seats and higher prices, unless clearer plans are locked in immediately.

The cautious reopening being planned by the federal government is centred around a series of “bubbles” with Singapore, the Pacific Islands, Japan, South Korea, the United Kingdom and United States. It is expected vaccinated Australians who travel to those places will be able to quarantine at home upon their return.

Quarantine arrangements for Australians who go to other countries have not been decided, though it is likely there will be a system for grading countries according to COVID risk, with “proportionate” quarantine requirements applying.

Last week Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews said the home quarantine period for those coming from low-risk countries could be as low as two to four days.

However, Sydney Airport and the Australian Airports Association have raised doubts about the government’s reopening plan, saying airlines need long lead times to re-establish flights, and insufficient information has been provided to allow services to restart.

Foreign airlines at risk of pulling out, leading to fewer flights, higher fares

The country’s airports have warned the federal government that foreign airlines are at risk of pulling out of Australia, even as the country reopens its international border, unless clearer plans are locked in immediately.

www.theage.com.au

Where airlines were running 3 or 4 services a day in/out of SYD, we will be luck if it is one a day by mid-2022 (eg CX, SQ).

As ever with this government it appears that very little work is done beyond the initial announcement. I can remember earlier in the year Singapore airlines coming out public ally and bemoaning the lack of work being done one the bubble procedures. As can be seen from the German travel corridor to Singapore these arrangements are complex and don’t happen overnight.

As we have seen with the recent deals on extra Pfizer, the Government is not likely to say what it is doing until the deal is done.

 

[dajop]

However, Sydney Airport and the Australian Airports Association have raised doubts about the government’s reopening plan, saying airlines need long lead times to re-establish flights, and insufficient information has been provided to allow services to restart.

Yes, interesting commentary from SYD, but I don’t think anyone suffers the illusion that it will be straight back to 2019 capacity for some time, almost certainly 3-5 years.

Just using current operating flights, including both flights that are taking restricted numbers of passengers within the caps and flights operating with no passengers (but using passenger flight numbers and aircraft) it would be relatively easy for the airlines to add say 10,000 seats a week into MEL and perhaps 15-20,000 seats into SYD at very short notice.