Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

[MEL_Traveller]

Sure - I used trade fairs as an example. But the list was not intended to be exhaustive. By 'business travel' that should not mean attending aboard meeting, or going to visit suppliers, or generally doing something which is not essential.

We have seen many people flaunt the rules. Being a 'professional' is no barrier.

If you want to start allowing people to go to board meetings, or visiting suppliers - and some will take advantage of that... then I'd argue to open it up to anyone willing to accept quarantine. That's fair.

 

[dajop]

or going to visit suppliers,

Depends surely on the nature of the visit to suppliers.

Going for a meet and greet/relationship building? No.

Troubleshooting a quality problem ? Maybe depending on the nature of the business and impact of the problem in Australia.

Going to assure (audit) that the supplier is not using child labour, and is implementing safe work practices such that you don't end up with blood on your hands as a purchaser (like the Bangladesh clothing factory fire a year or two back)? Probably not unreasonable.

 

[CityRail]

Jacinda Adern flagged this week that Trans-Tasman can happen state by state, however I strongly doubt as the outbreak in Victoria should mean we should suspend the bubble from happening until it is under control, provided there's no distancing in NZ.
I wouldn't mind to wait until Term 3 holidays until we can go to NZ, and unfortunately that means ski resorts in NZ will suffer.
On the other hand, other countries such as Hong Kong is having local outbreak as well, so looks like we are definitely in a dangerous phase of the virus before it gets better.
According to some Fung Shui Master, we might see things go around the corner in August/September. Fingers crossed.

 

[Gremlin]

Looks like the plan to get international students back in is getting closer! Which is great, another industry having some form of life injected back into it....

Just read an IBISWorld report released this afternoon (paid subscription) suggesting that the international students trials for Canberra and Qld will most likely be postponed given the magnitude of the outbreak in Victoria and concerns about Australia's ability to contain it to within the state.

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Jacinda Adern flagged this week that Trans-Tasman can happen state by state, however I strongly doubt as the outbreak in Victoria should mean we should suspend the bubble from happening until it is under control, provided there's no distancing in NZ.
I wouldn't mind to wait until Term 3 holidays until we can go to NZ, and unfortunately that means ski resorts in NZ will suffer.
On the other hand, other countries such as Hong Kong is having local outbreak as well, so looks like we are definitely in a dangerous phase of the virus before it gets better.
According to some Fung Shui Master, we might see things go around the corner in August/September. Fingers crossed.

Bear in mind, EVERYTHING JA is saying between now and 19 Sept is for a domestic audience only.

 

[PineappleSkip]

According to some Fung Shui Master, we might see things go around the corner in August/September.

Huh?

 

[jakeseven7]

Just read an IBISWorld report released this afternoon (paid subscription) suggesting that the international students trials for Canberra and Qld will most likely be postponed given the magnitude of the outbreak in Victoria and concerns about Australia's ability to contain it to within the state.

Was just on the news they will continue to work on it.

We can chew gum and walk at the same time thankfully!

Will be a good step to start up the university sector up again.

 

[drron]

Quite frankly I have reached that point of resignation that I don't care any more when they open up OS flights but if they do October 2021 would be OK.
Our first OS trip booked is February 2022.

 

[Pushka]

Quite frankly I have reached that point of resignation that I don't care any more when they open up OS flights but if they do October 2021 would be OK.

One son is desperate to get to the UK as he wants to be with his partner, the DIL is desperate to be in the UK to visit her parents with her baby son so he can get to know them. Me personally? Not important.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Depends surely on the nature of the visit to suppliers.

Going for a meet and greet/relationship building? No.

Troubleshooting a quality problem ? Maybe depending on the nature of the business and impact of the problem in Australia.

Going to assure (audit) that the supplier is not using child labour, and is implementing safe work practices such that you don't end up with blood on your hands as a purchaser (like the Bangladesh clothing factory fire a year or two back)? Probably not unreasonable.

Again - maybe it's the terminology? I wouldn't consider checking for child labour to be 'business' travel. It is more like an essential service. But I would question whether there were suitable auditors on the ground in the particular country to do the checking. (I appreciate there are countries with bad records when it comes to human rights, and suitable auditors may not have an effective presence in those countries, but the issue is then much bigger than whether you can audit child labour.)

 

[drron]

Again - maybe it's the terminology? I wouldn't consider checking for child labour to be 'business' travel. It is more like an essential service. But I would question whether there were suitable auditors on the ground in the particular country to do the checking. (I appreciate there are countries with bad records when it comes to human rights, and suitable auditors may not have an effective presence in those countries, but the issue is then much bigger than whether you can audit child labour.)

And this time I agree with you.A neice of mine has a Masters degree in Human Rights Law from Columbia University.She was employed by the UN for a couple of years in checking on child exploitation in the work place.She spent considerable time in China and Bangladesh.So there are International organisations already doing this work.
Of interest she thought that the children in Bangladesh were treated better than those in China.

 

[CityRail]

Of interest she thought that the children in Bangladesh were treated better than those in China.

Wow, that's would break a lot of hearts of Chinese parents because they always think they are treating their child the best. lol

 

[drron]

Wow, that's would break a lot of hearts of Chinese parents because they always think they are treating their child the best. lol

Though she meant those working in factories.

 

[dajop]

And this time I agree with you.A neice of mine has a Masters degree in Human Rights Law from Columbia University.She was employed by the UN for a couple of years in checking on child exploitation in the work place.She spent considerable time in China and Bangladesh.So there are International organisations already doing this work.

Although in the private sector you aren't going to be able to call on an international organisations such as these to do your specific checks, but there are a range of consultants that do this work and it is also important that there is local language ability. I've worked with such consultants before, although the field visits we did with them were instrumental in framing the scope of their activities (not just child labour, but we were looking at a broad range of matters under the international human rights compact).

Nevertheless was just using this an illustration that business travel isn't all just about junkets.

 

[jakeseven7]

Rumours are tomorrow the Federal Government will announce tomorrow special visas for Hong Kong nationals looking to leave, available instantly.

So they will need a passage to get them here.....

 

[p--and--t]

Rumours are tomorrow the Federal Government will announce tomorrow special visas for Hong Kong nationals looking to leave, available instantly.

So they will need a passage to get them here.....

Will be interested to see, if that happens, what the logistics and financial arrangements will be like; given there is much talk tonight of limiting how many Aussie passport holders will be allowed to return per week to relieve stress on managing quarantine arrangements.

While I wholly support helping people out of threats from the CCP of "disappearing", I do think our government is showing its racial bias if it is moving so quickly to implement something en masse for Hong Kong but continue to lock people away on Pacific Islands for nearly a decade some of whom have just as much a claim (and maybe more) to asylum in the "lucky country" and its overall refugee targets for other oppressed have been slashed dramatically in the last year or two.

 

[Gremlin]

Gladys has just very strongly hinted that NSW will start charging quarantine expenses for returned international travellers. No time frame as yet.

 

[dajop]

With the lastest developments in Victoria, and almost national hysteria, perhaps some warranted and some not, what are the latest opinions on slight relaxing of travel restrictions internationally?

Looking at the mood of the public and the politicians, even though it's hard to predict the future, I'm thinking end of 2021, or later, is looking more likely now than it was 4 weeks ago.

 

[CityRail]

Rumours are tomorrow the Federal Government will announce tomorrow special visas for Hong Kong nationals looking to leave, available instantly.

So they will need a passage to get them here.....

But how? The borders are closed due to Coronavirus and Hong Kong is having some outbreaks as well.

I think these visas should allow Hong Kongers to apply and wait until Coronavirus is over then give them a deadline to come over.

 

[kpc]

Looking at the mood of the public and the politicians, even though it's hard to predict the future, I'm thinking end of 2021, or later, is looking more likely now than it was 4 weeks ago.

I agree. I'm (almost) resigned to no international travel in 2021!

 

[tgh]

no international travel in 2021 …… seems a very safe bet