Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

Though Tassies numbers went south when they strengthened their lockdown.

I referred to sentiment of the general population (not facts), and I also included "aside from Tas".

It was a survey of the general population's feeling's not analysis of facts or circumstance. Politicians are largely elected and guided by "people's feelings".
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We'll have to go by boat...oh, wait.

Longer bridge technology? ;)😅
 
there simply will not be any airlines left standing

That may well be the case, alla same cruise lines….BUT.. there will remain a lot of really good quality capital capacity (ships/aircraft) that can be quickly returned to service..
I suggest that market forces will drive a capacity resurgence to meet the demand.
How the reset will pan out commercially in terms of service standards and wages and conditions should be interesting
 
Edit: and (aside from TAS) people would be seeing the states/territory that have locked their borders have the better daily stats.

Yes Joe-public may view it that way.

However Essential workers still cross border, often with no testing.

While preventing spread and mixing was and is a worthy goal, locking the borders does as it was done late in the piece does not seem to have made a difference in terms of total cases per 100,000 people. ie WA, QLD and Vic are virtually identical, and TAS and NSW one very low population and the other our most populated have the highest rates.


If cases had continued to rise locking borders would have made more sense, but by the time it was done the other various control measures were reducing and controlling spread.

International border controls have by contrast made a huge difference, and moreso when proper quarantine kicked in as opposed to the ridiculous practice of self-isolation where people could fly/train/bus across the country before commencing their self-isolation. One Qld hotspot was created by people travelling by train to self-isolate and infecting others on the train.
 
Yes Joe-public may view it that way.

However Essential workers still cross border, often with no testing.

While preventing spread and mixing was and is a worthy goal, locking the borders does as it was done late in the piece does not seem to have made a difference in terms of total cases per 100,000 people. ie WA, QLD and Vic are virtually identical, and TAS and NSW one very low population and the other our most populated have the highest rates.


If cases had continued to rise locking borders would have made more sense, but by the time it was done the other various control measures were reducing and controlling spread.

International border controls have by contrast made a huge difference, and moreso when proper quarantine kicked in as opposed to the ridiculous practice of self-isolation where people could fly/train/bus across the country before commencing their self-isolation. One Qld hotspot was created by people travelling by train to self-isolate and infecting others on the train.

All true, but back to your first sentence. Joe Public was asked how they feel. Not engaged in an intelligent analysis of the facts.
 
I still stand by my comments from when all of this started. International travel will not actually recover at all. By the time countries allow it, and with the restrictions that it will have, there simply will not be any airlines left standing.

Qatar will be there! They don't need to make money 😂;)
 
My guess is June, with some caveats...

I think safe bet to predict it will be lifted in stages. e.g. BUSINESS travel first, holidays/tourism/leisure last. Also Covid19 hot spots and regions later than those places less affected.

My prediction is that the first thing we will see is that a more lenient and/or broader scope of exemptions will be approved. In that case, even though the "restrictions" would still be in place, many business travellers would actually l be allowed to travel.

Anyway - those are my predictions. I try to remain optimistic.
 
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I still stand by my comments from when all of this started. International travel will not actually recover at all. By the time countries allow it, and with the restrictions that it will have, there simply will not be any airlines left standing.

I agree that a year or so of massive restrictions on international air travel is going to cause massive changes.

And yes every airline could well fold (I suspect some propped up by Government ownership, or funding, and or particular Royal Families may survive) , there will equally be companies just waiting to start up new airlines by gaining access to assets at fire-sale prices.

But how these new airlines will operate, and the number of flights etc my crystal ball is unable to predict. But one can speculate and I suspect the news will mainly be grim for the leisure traveller. Less flights, higher fares and FF programs if still surviving at all only a shadow of what they recently were.

Air travel as we have known it in recent years may vanish for many years. Certainly the era that we have enjoyed as pointy end travellers at very little cost using FF points is going to be radically effected for the worst and perhaps may never return, or at least not for many a year.

I think that passenger international travel has doubled over the last decade worldwide. The next 12-18 months will be a tiny fraction of that. And the period after that will still be a lot less.

The new airlines that will emerge are most likely going to more along the lines of stripped down budget ones. But I doubt that initially that budget prices will be charged for tickets.

Having had planes and flight crews all stood aside in the main fora year or more is going to make harder to get things going again. One should not just expect a switch to be flicked with a massive number of flights to be resumed. More likely will be incremental recommencement staying low for some time.


On the demand side one would imagine that less people will want to travel internationally fora while.

On the traveller infrastructure side the tourist and travel infrastructure will have gone into mothballs too, and if say it is 12 to 18 months away that will be also be slow process to reactivate.



Air freight will remain. But who knows at what tonnage. And with less passenger planes that have carried some freight that will see changes in how air freight is done.

Domestic flights in Australia I see as starting to resume very soon, and to NZ not after that. This may allow Qantas to hang on, and to then allow it to eventually resume some international flights. Virgin will have a new owner.
 
The Group of Eight Universities have just released a "Roadmap to Recovery" that was put together by 100 multidisciplinary academics looking at health, social and economic pathways out of the current situation. It's been commissioned by Dept of Health and will feed into the discussions by National Cabinet re lockdown.


The two scenarios they are effectively considering are elimination and suppression.

Page 69 talks about no overseas travel until a vaccine without a quarantine or testing capability indicating possibly thru to the end of 2021. :(
 
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The Group of Eight Universities have just released a "Roadmap to Recovery" that was put together by 100 multidisciplinary academics looking at health, social and economic pathways out of the current situation. It's been commissioned by Dept of Health and will feed into the discussions by National Cabinet re lockdown.


The two scenarios they are effectively considering are elimination and suppression.

Page 69 talks about no overseas travel until a vaccine without a quarantine or testing capability indicating possibly thru to the end of 2021.


Thanks for that.

From it:

End Game (Beyond 90 days and until vaccine is available, say, end of 2021)
Travel and border controls: No overseas travel – unless quarantine observed or testing


Recommendation

A two-week period of enforced and monitored quarantine and isolation is maintained for all incoming overseas travellers, irrespective of origin and citizenship, for a minimum of the next six (6) months.

Recommendation

International travel bans remain on all Australians, other than for sanctioned “essential” travel, for the next six months and any returning essential travellers be subject to the quarantine restrictions.

Recommendation

In the event that the Australian Government enters into an agreement with another country to permit entry of its citizens and/or permanent residents (i.e. New Zealand), the border control policies of the other country must be identical to Australia’s and stringently enforced.
 
I'm in the same boat - a nicely constructed award booking to the states in July. Don't want to cancel, but guess I'll have to face the inevitable. Even if flights are operating, the issue is really travel insurance.


I have multiple flights to the US from July. Plan to spend around 3 months there between July and the end of 2020. I'm definitely not cancelling anything (yet).

I wonder what his definition of "soon" is?

6 to 8 weeks.
 
well, I still have everything booked for NZ holiday in early July. Does that meet the definition of "soon" for NZ flights? Who knows. Not expecting to travel, though.
 
6 to 8 weeks.

That's are rather precise figure to replace the Prime Minister's statement today of "not anytime soon" 🤔 ("except for maybe NZ")

Is that a feeling in your waters or do you have inside information?
 
There comes a point when the consequences of these measures become worse than the consequences of the virus itself. I don't think reality is factored in much, if at all.

For a lot of things, that is true. But are the consequences of a ban in international travel worse than the virus?

Keep in mind that the key enabler of the spread of the virus through the world is travel....
 
There comes a point when the consequences of these measures become worse than the consequences of the virus itself. I don't think reality is factored in much, if at all.
The medical model was essential at the get go. Now? More of a balance might be needed.
 

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