Project Sunrise: A350 or 777X?

[justinbrett]

EK gets plenty - access to QF FFs, and domestic, NZ and South American.
Without the deal more would be going via DOH instead.

Thats my point. Qantas gets nothing other than a cut of the profits.

 

[Franky]

Just heard on the 1200 news with Alan Joyce seemingly saying that given there will be many Flight Captains made redundandt in China in the future, it may be a possible source for crewing the Project Sunrise flights! I'm sure I heard it correctly.

 

[jase05]

Just heard on the 1200 news with Alan Joyce seemingly saying that given there will be many Flight Captains made redundandt in China in the future, it may be a possible source for crewing the Project Sunrise flights! I'm sure I heard it correctly.

Yes you heard it correctly

Alan Joyce: No shortage of pilots for London to Sydney route

Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce upped the stakes in his negotiation with staff over the upcoming London to Sydney route, telling reporters there was “no shortage of pilots” ready to take on the assignment.

australianaviation.com.au

 

[juddles]

Just heard on the 1200 news with Alan Joyce seemingly saying that given there will be many Flight Captains made redundandt in China in the future, it may be a possible source for crewing the Project Sunrise flights! I'm sure I heard it correctly.

Simply "Wow!"

I understand that it is a commercial fight, and Alan is paid to fight hard for the company side - which he is clearly doing. But this has become almost cutthroat.

Such a direct and utter threat to current QF pilots!! And the problem is that it cannot be taken as a bluff.....

 

[jase05]

Simply "Wow!"

I understand that it is a commercial fight, and Alan is paid to fight hard for the company side - which he is clearly doing. But this has become almost cutthroat.

Such a direct and utter threat to current QF pilots!! And the problem is that it cannot be taken as a bluff.....

I think AJ wants Sunrise to be his lasting legacy and nothing will stop him from achieving it.

 

[juddles]

I think AJ wants Sunrise to be his lasting legacy and nothing will stop him from achieving it.

As I have said before, I respect the focus. Qantas cannot compete on prices, it has a relatively tiny market, and it is based in isolation under the tail of the donkey that is the world, geographically. IMHO without Sunrise Qantas will just slowly wither into a shell airline that offers just domestic product and some international codeshares....... and I do not want to see that day.

 

[justinbrett]

As I have said before, I respect the focus. Qantas cannot compete on prices, it has a relatively tiny market, and it is based in isolation under the tail of the donkey that is the world, geographically. IMHO without Sunrise Qantas will just slowly wither into a shell airline that offers just domestic product and some international codeshares....... and I do not want to see that day.

For Europe maybe. They're absolutely dominating the Australia-USA market. No danger there.

 

[juddles]

.... They're absolutely dominating the Australia-USA market. No danger there.....

Really? I had no idea. What exactly do you mean by "dominating"?

 

[justinbrett]

Really? I had no idea. What exactly do you mean by "dominating"?

BNE/SYD/MEL-LAX
BNE/SYD/MEL-SFO
SYD-DFW
BNE-ORD
SYD-HNL
LAX-JFK

Close to 50% market share out of 7 airlines.

 

[juddles]

BNE/SYD/MEL-LAX
BNE/SYD/MEL-SFO
SYD-DFW
BNE-ORD
SYD-HNL
LAX-JFK

Close to 50% market share out of 7 airlines.

Thank you - 50% of the Aussie - USA market sounds good. Possibly due to competing on those routes with another country that suffers/enjoys high staff costs?

 

[p--and--t]

QF toyed with the idea for Project Sunrise and then discarded. Now looks like NZ are serious with proceeding.......

Air New Zealand Skynest Bunk Bed Prototype

Air New Zealand has released a Skynest prototype that would return bunk beds to long-haul economy.

loyaltylobby.com

 

[juddles]

Quite understandably, I think airlines today are grappling with survival issues in the face of a pandemic, rather than fleet lay-out design. I think many ideas will be put on the backburner for the rest of the year....

 

[Berlin]

Air New Zealand Skynest Bunk Bed Prototype

Air New Zealand has released a Skynest prototype that would return bunk beds to long-haul economy.

loyaltylobby.com

Looks like from my worst nightmare- stuck with some strangers' snores and screaming babies in a super tight bunk bed arrangement. What an awful awful idea.

But hey- said strangers can enjoy this 'comfort' while I sip my champers up the front!

 

[downtheback]

If the regulatory hurdles can be met, I think there is a product for these more long haul flights whereby you sit on the bottom bunk (like an overnight train) then the cabin crew can convert the wall into 2 or 3 bunks for the night.

Can be done as a "private bunk room" with 2 or 3 bunks, or a "dorm bunk room" with 4 or 6 bunks (2/3 on both walls).

 

[kelvedon]

Looks like from my worst nightmare- stuck with some strangers' snores and screaming babies in a super tight bunk bed arrangement.

I read somewhere that this was for adults only so you’ll be spared the screaming babies, but not the snorers.
Does the V configuration suggest it’s in the tail of the plane so you’ll be buffeted to sleep with the accompanying sounds from the toilets ?

 

[Lynda2475]

Snoring is an issue on any form of public transport where people sleep whetehr it be sitting up or lying down - regualrly hear snoreres on bus/train on daily commute to office.

I read somewhere else yesterday that AJ is keen to buya bunch of discounted 737-Max planes once cleared to fly again. But does anyone really want to ever fly on one.

 

[Flying Fox]

I read somewhere else yesterday that AJ is keen to buya bunch of discounted 737-Max planes once cleared to fly again. But does anyone really want to ever fly on one.

I read this earlier and thought the same. Although today I also though that this could be some really good posturing/signalling to Airbus to get a better deal on A350-1000's or A320's etc.

 

[jetset]

A350 order delayed due to coronavirus
'Survival of the fittest': Qantas cuts more flights, warns airlines will collapse

 

[moa999]

A350 order delayed due to coronavirus

Slightly different take on I assume the same presser by ET - it's asked Airbus for a further delay

Qantas non-stop London, New York flights on track for 2026

The Red Roo’s first ultra-long-range A350 flights are expected to lift off in the back half of 2026.

www.executivetraveller.com

 

[Berlin]

That one had to come in the current volatile times. Hopefully it won't kill the entire project for good.